momz wrote:Perimeter/Keystone and how many others have accidents with deaths and they are still flying-
Because one accident that kills people doesn't make an airline unsafe.-
I thought you guys have had more then one fatal accident within the last 8 years or so? I can think of at least 2, being the travelair on training and the baron/travelair (can't remember which it was) that crashed just west of thunder bay a few years ago? I could be wrong though, does anyone else remember?
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You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck.
confused.......I remember......go see if you can find some steaks and canned corn scattered on the railroad tracks behind your little blue hangar before you start pointing fingers! (no disrespect the flight crew involved)
As every scenario is different, as I have just pointed out, it may not be the fault of the company as a whole. Unless the company "pushes" or has poor mtc practices of course. (Ask uncle K about a 748 out of ZSJ some time ago.) Most instances, its the same individual involved time and time again.
Perimeter has changed since the good 'ol days. For the better too.
Shlem, that IS the job of Skyward. All parts should be accounted for. TC is just doing there job. I realize that you never said they weren't. I take comfort in the fact that my company doesn't get their spares from Buck's auto parts or Dudes aircraft graveyard - or just randomly make them.. If one looks at aviation in Manitoba or even in Canada in general and looks at the scketchy companys that haven't been stut down it makes one wonder how those aircraft really were. The management at Skyward F**cked up. I realize that nobody's perfect but it takes something major to be shut down for 2 months.
giligan
Skyward--yesterday, today, the future
Yesterday---viable company employing 250 plus people, litterly 100's of people sending in resumes-hoping to work for Skyward
Today--struggling to meet the hazy, clouded, daily/hourly/minute changes demanded by Transport Canada--to bad TC can't get their act together and put their requests down all at once--I wonder why--so a couple of other Thompson Airlines can get themselves up and running???--Is there something rotten in Denmark here?
Sure seems to be this talking with the people in General in the City of Thompson,
Corporate Management at Skyward are working hard--they are meeting every demand put before them and it still isn't good enough--maybe its time TC put out a statement regarding this matter
Where is Gary Doer in all this?? Maybe he should be reviewing this
Where is Bev Deslarsis in this?? Maybe our MLA should be helping with this!!!!!!!!!!!
Where is Mayor Comaskey on this--working on his urban reserve coming to Thompson?? Thought we voted that out?? Could be I am wrong--but that was one of the options in the voting
Perimeter had fatalities and where are they???
Sure they may have passed their audit--but at who's expense--sure was nice of TC to be at Skyward and close them down-gave Perimeter sometime to clean up their act didn't it???
To all staff and management at Skyward--thanks for the safe flights I have taken with you and I will be one of your first persons on your flights when they resume between YTH & YWG
Momz - clearly Skyward is meeting every demand that TC is puttin forth, that is why they've been shut down for what, 53 days now?? Jeez get a clue, I've heard that TC is being too picky, obviously thats a bad thing because there are some things that we can let slide right? It's only safety we are concerned with. And of course Perim got a break from TC, "O look, someone carelessly left a huge pile of money in the middle of our hangar, I hope someone will clean this up for me while I turn my back... " please! After all, with new ownership Perim is one of if not the most prospering airline in the country right now (mind u I dont see much outside of my little glass crib). So ya, Skyward staff did get shit on, but if they had half a brain (like some people I know) they would have seen it coming and tried do do something about it, or maybe they were to scared and didn't want to pay the price with their job, its a shame only a few had the courage to do it... (congrats to those few by the way, they now who they are)
PS
Giligan, nice touch with dudes aircraft graveyard, do i sense a little Larry Lite in that comment??
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Are you trying to compare safety records between Perimeter and Skyward?!?!?! .. Come now, don't be silly .. I believe history is sufficant proof of comparison. There have been many times when Im relaxing in the morning drinking a coffee, reading the Free Press, and on page two there will be a little story about what happened to a Perimeter airplane the day before. Engine outs, gear issues, leaving the runway in ywg and ending up in the infield?!?! .. (Didn't Jetsgo do that too? Should we consider Perimeter the Jetsgo of the Commuters?) Anyways .. The point to this isn't to be an a$$ .. Just that you seem to put your company on a mantal, and believe they should be an example for all of us. They are just as flawed as the rest.
okay, they have a past just like everyone, but as flawed as the rest?? I dont think so, (use your freakin head) if they were they would be shut down just like Skyward.
giligan wrote:Shlem, that IS the job of Skyward. All parts should be accounted for. TC is just doing there job.
I agree completely... I was just stating what I'd heard from someone who still works there.
When TC finds non authorized aircraft parts on some of their aircraft it gives them the right to search and track every single part on the rest of their aircraft. TC doesn't want anything to slip through on this case and I don't blame them.
the articulation in some of the comments shows a level of education seen at about the grade 6 level-guess this is what some of the aviation industry looks for-sure dosen't say much--this is to be a commentary forum not a childish page--take a good look--there are days coming--oh and by the way-I own a few vechicles and would sooner drive to YWG than fly on Perimeter--did you hear the one about the lady screaming because of one of their flights--probably not--just another thought--Happy Easter everyone--I probably won't be back to this thread--may go job hunting--hopefully with Skyward Aviation Limited in their YWG or their YTH office.
Uptown, Airport, Sched Se, where ever, after all I do have several years in the aviation industry and am well acquainted with Calm Air & Skyward staff and management--
Happy Easter
What is the average fare form YTH to YWG on Calm Air, and Perimeter? I think that dollars and cents will determan which airline see's the most business. That is how I would decide which plane that I would board.
Just wanted to see my reply in print. , what I mean to say is: do any of the responding parties work in aviation?, or is this simply a forum for "aviation enthusiasts", if you know what I mean...
DragEraser wrote:confused.......I remember......go see if you can find some steaks and canned corn scattered on the railroad tracks behind your little blue hangar before you start pointing fingers! (no disrespect the flight crew involved)
As every scenario is different, as I have just pointed out, it may not be the fault of the company as a whole. Unless the company "pushes" or has poor mtc practices of course. (Ask uncle K about a 748 out of ZSJ some time ago.) Most instances, its the same individual involved time and time again.
Perimeter has changed since the good 'ol days. For the better too.
Has yours?
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Still remember ya J.O.
Little touchy there aren't we? If iyou're referring to what I think you're referring to, yeah there was 1 maint glitch where something didn't get back on properly and that was way before my time. That's the ONLY thing here that i've ever heard of, not like consecutive things from other companies. Maintenance here is top notch actually, so I'm not sure why you're quoting me this but whatever. Have you got anymore issues that I can help clear up or will that about cover it??
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You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck.
If you want to judge safety judge it on Incidents per hours flown
period
examples of past history
310 gear up in yth
208 off runway in zwh or ybt
208 without gear in some hole
king air land gear up
citation without buckets in the junkyard
210 wrap propellor around sign yoh
4 patients doa
Well I can tell you for a fact that Transport is working this wekend, so Corporate Pilot it might not be day what? Just to let you know that getting the OC is not hindered by the CCAA.
And fast how many hours did the company you worked for fly and how many incidents did they have. I think that is comparing apples to apples.
Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me but wasn't it Skyward who crashed a small jet on take-off (density altitude issue) in the States a few years back??
If iyou're referring to what I think you're referring to, yeah there was 1 maint glitch where something didn't get back on properly and that was way before my time. That's the ONLY thing here that i've ever heard of, not like consecutive things from other companies. Maintenance here is top notch actually, so I'm not sure why you're quoting me this but whatever. Have you got anymore issues that I can help clear up or will that about cover it??
