Jazz hour requirement?

[JohnnyDrama]

Just wondering... other than the rare person that gets hired straight out of collage, what would be the minimum total time you would need to get on with Jazz? I know I have seen job ads in the past saying 1500 but do they ever take guys with a bit less than that?

Anyone on here start there with lower time?

Cheers,

JD

[flyinhigh]

When I was highered just over 3 years ago I was the lowest timed guy at 2800 hours, my class topped out at 7200.

When the bubble was on the downside they were taking guys with the 1500 tot, however now I'd say unless you got a fair amount of multi-pic in that 1500 you won't get on right away especially with the sky guys outta work looking now.

cheers

[sky Rookie]

hows the hiring forecast looking? 2000tt with 500plus mpic enough to get you an interview

[Obbie]

The hiring forcast is that we are over staffed
and will not need to hire, even with the new airplanes.

If and when it starts, expect the bar to be
around the 4000 hour mark for the first 6 months
until supply on the street dries up a little.

On a side note, the collage experiment is now
dead in the water. Much to the relief of most of our Captains.

Anybody have a 57 manual I can borrow ?

[short bus]

On a side note, the collage experiment is now
dead in the water

That's good news, I find arts and crafts often gets in the way while flying an airplane.

[Dizzy]

On a side note, the collage experiment is now
dead in the water. Much to the relief of most of our Captains.

Really? Speaking only for the Dash side I'd heard nary a complaint and only compliments about the college pilots

[rigpiggy]

Anybody have a 57 manual I can borrow ?

http://www.smartcockpit.com/plane/boeing/B757/

[rigpiggy]

To quote a capt I know
"It's like flying single pilot all over again"

On a side note, the collage experiment is now
dead in the water. Much to the relief of most of our Captains.

Really? Speaking only for the Dash side I'd heard nary a complaint and only compliments about the college pilots

[mattedfred]

i'm dead against the college kid program for many reasons

however, one of the college kids on the dash8 in YYZ that was hired during the first round is still in my top 5 for FO's

[RFN]

If its true that the college hires are doing well, then great! we are lucky.

Let's not do it again though, ok?

[mattedfred]

+1

[flyinhigh]

I find arts and crafts often gets in the way while flying an airplane.

HAHAHAHAHHA, that made my day.

[vmc_demo]

why wouldn’t jazz always take pilots with 1800-3000hrs, regardless of who’s applying

why take someone with 4-6000hrs who was a captain somewhere making double or more than the jazz start pay....who is only coming to jazz to get 6 months to 1 yr experience and jump to westjet???

[genetic jack hammer]

why wouldn’t jazz always take pilots with 1800-3000hrs, regardless of who’s applying

why take someone with 4-6000hrs who was a captain somewhere making double or more than the jazz start pay....who is only coming to jazz to get 6 months to 1 yr experience and jump to westjet???

Some of us coming with 6000 + hrs DO want to stay at Jazz. It's all about lifestyle at this point. Tired of trying to chase metal. Min work and max time off, that's what it's all about. I've been fortunate, so far, knock on wood, to be able to do this.

Besides, the leather jacket look just doesn't do it for me.

[catan man]

The hiring forcast is that we are over staffed
and will not need to hire, even with the new airplanes.

When I read the statement by the CEO, he did mention hiring pilots, and other positions. However, I do understand your point. I just wish you were wrong.

[dream_big]

No, he had mentioned there may be a need to hire pilots, since the final numbers weren't yet available. aka, exactly the number of 57's jazz was to operate. The original agreement was anywhere from 6 to 11 planes. So unless we start off with 11 right from the start the need to hire pilots as of right now is slim due to, as already mentioned, overstaffed employees. But we can all hope for the best.......

[Dark Helmet]

The actual requirements will be posted when/if they start hiring again.

Now, If they start hiring again, we will not find out until possibly late July to early August

After the new CA is signed and ratified
The 757 LOU is out
And that is when Bid 10-02 is expected to be out

When I was hired over 4 years ago. I had 4800 hours, there were people with as much as 7000 and lowest was 3200 hours. All had plenty of PIC and turbine time. Corporate jet, Dash 8, B-1900, metro, King Air were some of the backgounds of the pilots in my class.

why wouldn’t jazz always take pilots with 1800-3000hrs, regardless of who’s applying

why take someone with 4-6000hrs who was a captain somewhere making double or more than the jazz start pay....who is only coming to jazz to get 6 months to 1 yr experience and jump to westjet???

Respectfully IMHO that is a weak argument. Who is to say that a pilot with 1800 to 3000 hours will not go to WJ if he or she is given the chance. The choice to use Jazz as a stepping stone is base on personal choice and not on experience.

Apply when the job is posted regardless of experience and see what happens. And keep updating your profile, worst case is you will not get called that's all



Good Luck

[KAG]

why wouldn’t jazz always take pilots with 1800-3000hrs, regardless of who’s applying

why take someone with 4-6000hrs who was a captain somewhere making double or more than the jazz start pay....who is only coming to jazz to get 6 months to 1 yr experience and jump to westjet???

Besides, the leather jacket look just doesn't do it for me.

You do have the choice of our lululemon jacket.

[flyinhigh]

why wouldn’t jazz always take pilots with 1800-3000hrs, regardless of who’s applying

That is a very weak arguement as the lower time guys like this are usually younger/less expeirenced in life, meaning that they are eager to get bigger things(ie. airplanes). In my mind someone with this time frame is MUCH more likely to jump ship, where as the high time guys are the ones that usually have and know what they want outta life and a job.

[merlin]

what kind of life style do you have on 34K a year?

[dream_big]

what kind of life style do you have on 34K a year?

Woah Woah Woah!!!!!! Let's not sell jazz for less then it is.......I think what you mean is "what kind of lifestyle do you have on 36k, a year?

And the answer is......about a 2k better lifestyle... It's all about your mindset you have when you come here. Don't like it.......don't accept it, pretty simple.

But on a serious note, I think they was referring to more of the lifestyle you will have working at jazz compared to the bigger boys. As long as you can accept smaller wages compared to the other major carriers here in Canada, there are MANY perks to the regional flying at jazz. but I'm gonna save my breath because about 90% people on here already have their own mindset about their careers.

[moreccsplease]

Just to set the record straight, here's what I made in 2009 at Jazz as a First Officer:

2nd Year First Officer T4 (2009)

$46,900 including profit sharing, and a little bit of overtime (every couple of months a shift or two).

On top of that, I estimate I got around $6,500 in [tax-free] perdiems in 2009.

Throw in a yearly dress shoe allowance ($150), yearly uniform allowance ($300), medical that's paid, that pesky Transport medical fee paid, passport fee paid, monthly drycleaning allowance ($45), crew snacks and bottled water provided on the plane, 2 weeks paid vacation plus 10 stat days paid, 12 guaranteed off days per month (this is the worst case, on reserve -- blockholders can have many more days off), paid sick leave (call crew-scheduling and book off, no questions asked), travel privileges with Air Canada, a reciprocal jumpseat program that probably has over 40 airlines in it, ZED fares with airlines all over the world, excellent training that is second-to-none and all paid for from day one, having the world's largest pilot union behind your back in case something (knock on wood) goes wrong, and no bond...

...and on top of all that, a pension, that so far is fully funded.

I should also mention that you will never be forced to do something that is unsafe, nor will you be questioned on why you didn't do it. The equipment is maintained in excellent shape as well, but of course, this is an airline after all.

Is it great? Absolutely not! All of the F/Os and the Captains agree that the F/O pay is abysmal. But we're working under a bankruptcy contract (from when Air Canada wholly owned us) and chopped it to what it is today.

We are negotiating for a much better contract, and F/O pay is in the top three things that our ALPA negotiators are going for.

In fact, the ALPA Jazz motto for our upcoming strike vote (which is coming sometime in May) is:

Career Contract - We're Not Asking!!!

[lionheart27]

About the hours thing

If you were to go in to Jazz with only 1500-2000hrs and have by chance 500 turbine that might work in your favour. They would most likely want to see some king air, cheyenne or 1900 time.
But guys with 4k-6k hrs are gonna look better overall, so experience counts. I know a few pilots in that range that are looking so add the numbers as opposed to 10yrs ago when that 1500 would have stood up.
Keep instructing and keep flying get some turbine skills.

[AA150730]

Add to the list of benefits listed above: Unlike our friends at A/C when a Jazz pilot goes for training it is a paid training day (wether in or out the monthly block); Our pay is sked or better, ie: you still get paid if your flying gets cancelled.
After 20 years at TimeAir/C.R.A./Jazz I have no regrets, could it have been better, yes. But it could have also been a whole lot worse!
Your choice of where you work is yours and no one elses. If you enjoy where you are employed so much the better, if you don't then by all means move on and find a position or a company that you do. There are good and bad things about every company, accept that fact and realize that it is still up to you.
As for the college program, I would just like to ask all of you who are so opposed this question: How many of you, if you were given the same opportunity to come to Jazz straight out of flight school/college, would have turned it down because you felt you wanted to start at an entry level position (rampie/dock job) and work your way up to a Jazz job. Be honest now!!! Just because you have 1,500 - ????? hours doesn't make you a good pilot. I have flown with many "experienced" pilots who I wouldn't allow my wife and kids to be passengers aboard any aircraft that they were in command of.

[RFN]

I would have gladly accepted a driver's license at age 8 too.

Hiring people with no experience implies that our job does not require any experience. This, more than any (misunderstood) low 757 wages, cheapens our profession in a profound way.

It is more difficult to argue that FO wages are too low when it can be argued by the other side that it is an entry-level position and is paid as such.

To me the most important point is that if you are hired directly out of college, then you not only miss out on all the "learning events" that result from years in the bush, but you also miss the chance to prove to yourself that you ACTUALLY want to be a pilot.

Take some of the pilots to whom you referred, pair them up with a recent college grad, and put them in some of the challenging situations that come up thankfully rarely.