Jazz to start charging for jump seat

[GARRETT]

I heard from a CSA that Jazz will begin charging jump seaters AIF and taxes as of May 3/10. You will no longer get a coupon from the captain but instead will have web check-in. Can anyone from Jazz confirm this?

[ZBBYLW]

It's correct for both them and AC. I would be happy with it if they let as many people on the flights that they could. It's no good having the flight leave with open seats.

[Panama Jack]

Boooooooooo! Shaaaaaaame!!!!!

[Flygal]

You always could check in online when jump seating. You still need to hassle the captain though under the new agreement. Only things that have changed are:
1)YOU pay the AIF, nav canada etc
2)No walk ups, must be registered through the call centre

[.80@410]

Why the change?
Is it someone in an office somewhere jaded and making a policy change?
If the airports had agreed previously to not charging AIFs etc, why would it be charged now?
Surely we can get an honest answer from the dept that has made the change?

Sigh. Not a day goes by where I don't see another perk or benefit for flight crew members being taken away. First security idiots changing " commuter liquid allowance" as an example, and now this -Amongst other things. When do we fight back as a company, or an organization, when these "new" policies are introduced instead of just accepting them?

[Localizer]

Boooooooooo! Shaaaaaaame!!!!!

Well .. you can thank WestJet for this one .. They started the whole fare for the Jumpseat BS .. So why wouldn't other airlines start to follow suit when they see it working for one company.

Is that another example of Westjet "lowering the standard" for this industry???

Cheers.

[Panama Jack]

Well if that is true, then "Thank-you Westjet!"

Boooooooooo! Shaaaaaaame!!!!!

[prop2jet]

In all probability the charges levied for the JS at Jazz or AC is likely dictated by the fact that AC now issues a PNR which probably leads to the addition of the AIF and other taxes. As far as I can tell, AC is not charging any fee for use of the "jump". WJ as far as I understand levies a small charge, and of course all the other charges follow.

Not much point in trying to assign blame. The fact remains that the actual jumpseat is vacant unless you happen to be authorized to use it, and even then at AC a charge is levied, therin lies the real shame.

[Localizer]

Guess Loc didn't get the job so now is bitter and jealous. Too bad bud. Too bad. Stuck on that Dash forever.

Never applied ... never will ... So bitter or jealous?? .. Nope .. Maybe bitter that WJ pilots use to enjoy a free ride whenever needed, but in return we'd have to pay a $2.50 fare that added up all the other taxes and nav/security fees. Other then the fact it works for some guys here .. i'd elect to scrap the agreement .. unless the rules change to make it an even playing field.

[x cma]

Bitter bus or not WestJet HAS lowered the bar and charging for the jump when others were not is not the only example.

WestJet has asked the Labour Board to allow employees to work 40 hours a week in one position and then for example 20 in another position and not have to pay overtime because it is a totally different position. They say because some employees have a second job elsewhere and don't get overtime because it is another employer why not let them do a different position at WestJet where they love to work and WestJet just won't have to pay the overtime. If they have to pay overtime of course the extra 20 hours and second position would not be available. Can't afford that.

Way to go. Gulp.

[Arctic84]

Bitter bus or not WestJet HAS lowered the bar and charging for the jump when others were not is not the only example.

WestJet has asked the Labour Board to allow employees to work 40 hours a week in one position and then for example 20 in another position and not have to pay overtime because it is a totally different position. They say because some employees have a second job elsewhere and don't get overtime because it is another employer why not let them do a different position at WestJet where they love to work and WestJet just won't have to pay the overtime. If they have to pay overtime of course the extra 20 hours and second position would not be available. Can't afford that.

Way to go. Gulp.

Interesting. Can you provide a link to the application, or where got this info?

[x cma]

Arctic84,

I came across that randomly when searching for Labour Code info. It was a letter from WestJet asking for the changes. It made out that the employees would actually benefit by it. A real eye opener and a glimpse of what really goes on behind the scenes. I'll see if I can come up with it again.

[mbav8r]

Wow, that didn't take long, it was so one sided for how long now the table has turned abit and you want to cancel the program. I can't count how many of you owners used only AC or Jazz as your primary way to get to work with your flights as a backup, because of how much money you saved.
Like I said, that didn't take long, it wasn't fu%^ing reciprocal before, now we're on a more level field.
I've prepared a speil I'm going to give you when you ask us when we're going to open up more than just the one jump equivelant. "We're working on it, the other employee groups are against it, but we are working on it" Sound familiar?????????

[RFN]

If AC is going to charge for the reciprocal jump agreement, then they should make all the empty seats in the back eligible.
That would make the agreement the same for both carriers.

I use WJ to get to work all the time now, as WJ does not charge me nearly as much as AC does.

I do NOT want to scrap this. Neither do most commuters.

[mbav8r]

RFN, As a commuter I use it as well, but for the last few years all I've heard was we're working on it. It never did feel genuine, I even stopped giving a crap after awhile. It is handy to have other choices but after so long of inaction on WJ's part(we're working on it), now AC has gone and leveled the playing field or more to our side. How long do you think it will be before WJ changes it so only one recip can access their flights? My bet less than a month, and to me that will be so hypocritical. They rode around for free, zero, zilch, fuckall for how many years. To be frank even since the service charges were implimented again, I have flown on AC 5 of 6 times. It doesn't really matter to me, other than the extra choices on occassion.
If they go down the road of changing it so only one can access it, I will be the one asking our jumpseat committee to scrap it all together. If they wait for as long as they've had it before they make a change, well I can respect that.

[proper]

Well I use USAIR and their regionals to commute to from the US. Guess what? I have to pay all fees from Canada (Navcan, taxes, YUL AIF). SUcks but we're doing it already. Blame the friggin airports and their bureaucratic dictatorship!

[flyinhigh]

Holy fack, you guys are seriously bitching about this.

I don't work for westjet, but I am happy to pay the fee to westjet for 2 reason's.

1)since our service fees came into effect, I love getting on westjet in uniform on principle.

2) The reason we are charged is not to make money, it is to LOAD up and NOT leave any commuters behind.

Oh but wait, we don't charge them nothing so they shouldn't either. Fine they change it to be free. Now your restriced to 1, I'll repeat ONE person onboard, now you have a fight for that seat. No thanks. Just think, that one day your are trying to commute and I checked in 30 seconds before you, you work before me but now you don't get to work. Shit guess we shouldn't have bitched about it eh.

Me, NAH i'll pay the $30 to KNOW i have a seat in the back even when there is 8 stby's.

However now that AC is charging it IS bullshit that it is still restricted to One jumpseat. But leave it to AC to really be cheap.

Just remember guys, This is aviation. You wanna change a benefit, hotel, pay, etc. Management may agree, but you WILL ALWAYS loose out in some way, a way that will make you want what you HAD.

[Legacy]

No doubt. IS that 25 bucks from yyz-yyc really going to hurt you? Like it has been stated. WJ DOES NOT LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF JUMPSEATERS TO THE AMOUNT OF JUMPSEATS ON THE AIRCRAFT. AIR CANADA AND JAZZ DOES. So 20 commuters can jump on WJ. So really, I see it as AC and Jazz lowering the bar by not letting more commuters on board. But honestly, I don't really give a hoot. I got better things to worry about in my life. I get paid enough that I can afford the 20-30 bucks to travel across the country. Just another thing that is very respectable by WJ. WJ now lets commuters travel to work for FREE. That is the first I have ever hard of a company doing so. But according to some of you WJ lowers the bar.

[mbav8r]

Legacy, when did they start letting commuters travel to work for free?

[KAG]

As of June 1st, from your Port to YYC and return, only for work purposes.

[mbav8r]

For clarification, effective june 1 this year or as of june 1 last year?

[Legacy]

this year

[3down&loct]

When you look at the overall cost, it is not the airline fees that are high. It is the dam AIF and taxes that makes up the majority of the cost to commute. Why in the hell as individuals that support this industry do we have to pay AIF fees on a continued basis? Commuters make up a large portion of the industry. I would hazard to guess that at WJ it is upwards of 30% of the aircrew. Perhaps it is time to start a petition or a movement to have these fees (or at least the AIF) waived.
Any thoughts?

[Huge Hammer]

Don Bell - one of the WS founders, fought like Hell to have employees exempt from AIF. Airports don't care so I don't think a petition is going to do much.