Rumors of AC hiring soon, any truth?

[yycflyguy]

Too bad they are not hiring in Alberta, can't afford to rocket off to Toronto or Montreal unfortunately..

If anyone sees one for Alberta please let me know that's where I am!

Doesn't matter if there's an ad for Calgary, you'll still end up in YYZ or YUL since they are the junior bases.

Then there's the small issue of Air Canada not even having a Calgary base.....

They do. It's a Flight Attendant base.

[bcflyer]

From what I can see this is a thread about pilot hiring not F/A's. (at least thats what it started as...)

[whiteguy]

From what I can see this is a thread about pilot hiring not F/A's. (at least thats what it started as...)

Who cares!!! The last few post were in reference to MTs post regarding hiring of FA's, either way (Pilots or FA's) you won't get hired and based in YYC.

And read the title of the thread again, doesn't specify Pilots, FA's, ramp or mechs!!!

[Martin Tamme]

I just supplied her with the information she was looking for.


P.S. I doubt that they will be doing any hiring for Calgary & Vancouver any time soon. Last year, they laid off Flight Attendants with over 10 years of service in Vancouver. Some of them took a transfer and some of them took the layoff. Nevertheless, there are going to have to bring these people back before they place any newhire souls into those places. Looks like Toronto (AKA Center of the Universe) is going to be the place to be.

[yycflyguy]

From what I can see this is a thread about pilot hiring not F/A's. (at least thats what it started as...)

Pilots. The sun rises and sets in our pants.

[Widow]

Hey Widow,

I know you are just trying to separate the Age60 debate that infiltrated the New Hire thread but the two are topics are very much intertwined. Anybody that was searching for just an answer to if there will be hiring had their questions answered. Anyone that is considering AC should be educated on the issues surrounding why hiring is postponed or delayed. Age60 stagnates everyone.

Just say'n

Although relevent to hiring, discussion of the age 60 rule has been moved HERE. It deserves attention, but has overrun the thread.

[ARCCOM]

I was just wondering if previous non-flying military experience counts for anything with AC. Would service as a naval officer in the reserves be valued and taken into account or does AC just purely look at hours and education?
Thanks

[ihavecontrol]

Anybody have any new information regarding hiring? Thanks.

[CANAL]

Anybody have any new information regarding hiring? Thanks.

just heard this today actually, aircanada is not hiring. hope that helps.

you have control

[BLZD1]

Air Canada has another equipment bid in June. If they show vacant positions they will hire. Last bid showed no vacant positions. Air Canada has been shrinking by the number of retirements for the last few years.

[ihavecontrol]

Thanks guys, was just talking to a friend today who works there and he said pretty much the same thing. Lots of talk of being short crews but thus far no official word of when/if the hiring will start.

[yycflyguy]

Air Canada is still in denial that we are skinny. This became obvious to all after the volcanic eruption in Iceland necessitated ACPA to allow a DMM + 20 month to cover the flying. Rumours of new frames to cover some Pacific void left by JAL. Stand by for new ATIS.

[DeltaHotel]

Let's say the June equipment bid shows vacant spots, how long would it take for HR to get in gear and start interviewing ?

Got my fingers crossed!

[rudder]

The results of the hearings this week on Queen Street West will likely have the largest impact on near term hiring at AC (and elsewhere where retirement attrition is the main driver of hiring).

[yycflyguy]

Yes and no.

Fly til you die is here. How many will actually come back? Many of the names on the plaintiff list are only looking for a "cash settlement" for all their suffering Those that come back, a small percentage (I hope) wont be greeted with open arms. It should not be so many that it would influence hiring, if you believe the increase widebody rumour and the 787 order delivery in the next 2 1/2 years (maybe sooner??)... once again, IMHO.

[Flightlevels]

"won't be greeted with open arms"

Bizarre. Pretty selfish looking from the outside.

[JayDee]

"won't be greeted with open arms"

Bizarre. Pretty selfish looking from the outside.

Flight Operations already a policy in place regarding this possibility.

I can't wait to see who the idiot is who pushes the button first and gets "severely" reprimanded by management. I can guarantee it will be costly to the individual and there won't be a second incident.

Air Canada will not and can not be seen as condoning any further discrimination. The two gentlemen are coming back as 777 F/O's (followed by others) whether you agree or not. Get used to it.

http://www.flypast60.com/Update.htm

[yycflyguy]

"won't be greeted with open arms"

Bizarre. Pretty selfish looking from the outside.

You're right. It is selfish. Unbelievable that someone can benefit their entire career by having those in front respect the negotiated benefit of retiring with a generous DB pension at age 60 and then when it is their turn to step aside at 60 they claim Human Rights infringement. Pretty selfish that they will get to come back into their same seniority number meaning all new hire will halt until those that decide that 30+ years of the best pay and benefits. Pretty selfish that those hired in their 30s and 40s will now stagnate in the seat they presently hold so they can come back and eat some more of that delicious pie. Where were they when they were junior and said nothing about this Human Rights travesty and senior pilots were stepping aside at the pre-determined, negotiated age. Selfish indeed.

I can't wait to file my countersuit claiming that it was discriminatory to place me on a reduced flat-pay salary my first 27 months.

I can't wait to see who the idiot is who pushes the button first and gets "severely" reprimanded by management. I can guarantee it will be costly to the individual and there won't be a second incident.

What are they going to do to me? Make me work past 60? Laughable at best.

[rudder]

What are they going to do to me? Make me work past 60? Laughable at best.

Actually, it is likely that they will fire you. That is the appropriate company response to any workplace harassment particularly related to race, religion, gender, or age.

[scopiton]

DMM + 20 month to cover the flying

what does it mean ?

please dont hijack the thread again with this 60 something retirement debate there is a thread about it already

[Flightlevels]

YYC, They built and contributed many of their years for the company you are so feeling entitled about. They have put up with a lot and experienced more forks in the road that you only have heard or read about. They shouldered it all. If they wanna fly...let em fly. It's only fair. Don't worry I'm sure there is a lot (Like myself) that when 55 hits I'm gone and they are gone. Selfish? Not from my viewpoint. You should be thanking these guys for getting or giving your a$$ a place to sit with the benefits you enjoy today and hey, you might even learn a trick or two from their experience

"won't be greeted with open arms"

Bizarre. Pretty selfish looking from the outside.

You're right. It is selfish. Unbelievable that someone can benefit their entire career by having those in front respect the negotiated benefit of retiring with a generous DB pension at age 60 and then when it is their turn to step aside at 60 they claim Human Rights infringement. Pretty selfish that they will get to come back into their same seniority number meaning all new hire will halt until those that decide that 30+ years of the best pay and benefits. Pretty selfish that those hired in their 30s and 40s will now stagnate in the seat they presently hold so they can come back and eat some more of that delicious pie. Where were they when they were junior and said nothing about this Human Rights travesty and senior pilots were stepping aside at the pre-determined, negotiated age. Selfish indeed.

I can't wait to file my countersuit claiming that it was discriminatory to place me on a reduced flat-pay salary my first 27 months.

I can't wait to see who the idiot is who pushes the button first and gets "severely" reprimanded by management. I can guarantee it will be costly to the individual and there won't be a second incident.

What are they going to do to me? Make me work past 60? Laughable at best.

[rudder]

Designated Monthly Maximum plus an extra 20 hours.

And as for the age 60 'debate', there is nothing left to debate. ALL airline pilots in Canada (that can hold a medical) can be PIC until 65 and can be F/O's or R/P's forever. This will now be an issue for all Canadian air carriers not just the respondent airline in the Vilven/Kelly complaint.

[115B]

AC will be looking at hiring by the end of the year according to a "usually reliable source" late last week. That is presuming things keep going reasonably well.

Presuming things go as they appear to be going, the age 60 thing will stop some retirements, and some will come back, but that will not cover the continued retirements and flying growth.

Currently quite a few AC pilots take early retirement every year, at an average age in the 55 range; that will not change.

For the record; age 60 was never negotiated at AC; nothing was gained when it was put in the contract in 1986. It was put there to discourage anyone from protesting forced retirement by age, which had been successfully fought by one individual just prior to that time.

Prior to 1986, 60 was not in the contract, and CALPA Policy opposed a fixed retirement age.

[Soar]

Not trying to hijack the thread, but speaking of hiring...

Is it possible at AC to have a toronto base for example, but commute to fredericton (yfc) and back? Are there many or any people that do this?

If I joined AC (assuming they accept me of course), I'd be taking a huge pay cut, leaving another legacy airline, and to be perfectly blunt, it'd definitely be a life style move rather than a professional move. My ultimate goal is to be living at home with family and friends, and this would be a very long term commitment.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

[JayDee]

Commuting is perfectly acceptable. 100's of pilots do it. The company could care less where you live as long as you somehow make it to your home base, RESTED and LEGAL to fly, 1:15 before your flight leaves. There used to be a guy living in Puket Thailand (sp) and worked out of YUL

Keep in mind when you are supposed to be at check in....... you are supposed to be at check in !!! no excuses!!

Don't EVER try and use the excuse you couldn't make it because the YFC flight was full etc etc etc

Most commuters share a crash pad close to the YYZ airport and commute down the day before there assignment starts.