another Transwest Air question
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water wings
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another Transwest Air question
if you had over 1100 hours, would you take a dock job at TWA? with no concrete promise to fly this year? just another one of my "hypothetical situations"....thanks
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water wings
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well i think it's an issue of outlook. If you think that certian task or jobs are "below you" then your time there with be miserable. You, unlike most of the new ramp guys actually have some time. So you'll have to be careful not to come off as cocky etc. Once you do make flight line your upgrades will come at a much quicker pace. You'll already have the time to meet contract requirements etc.
Speaking of upgrades at TWA:
in a previous thread certain posts made reference to a lack of internal upgrades for the northern pilots. Anyone care to shed any more light on this? Why would TWA not upgrade FOs who are ready?
in a previous thread certain posts made reference to a lack of internal upgrades for the northern pilots. Anyone care to shed any more light on this? Why would TWA not upgrade FOs who are ready?
"Sometimes the faster it gets, the less you need to know." - Gord Downie
resdog
Go for it if you have nothing else, Twest is a good place to be. They are great at moving guys off the ground and into to air if they prove themselves. Your previous flying time will help when it comes time to upgrade. Good luck.
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captain_dc
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I don't think H deserves a response.
TWA is a good place to work. The schedule at TWA for the north is also well put together with proper time out in the world.
Training for the ramp/dock crews for the spring/summer starts next week.
TWA is a good place to work. The schedule at TWA for the north is also well put together with proper time out in the world.
Training for the ramp/dock crews for the spring/summer starts next week.
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permateacher
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Ya TWA is pretty hopping.
There's starting a "ground" school for the ramp on the 4th and 40 people are invited. I think it's a great place to be and the people there are awesome. Every place has it's faults, but it's a job and just to have one these days is fantastic. less than 2 years ago I started there on the ramp and found that job after 2 full cross country road trips, and only because I ran into an old buddy from flight school who got me in. Now It's so much easier to get a ramp job these days that people are shopping around of the offers they have... must be nice. Don't get me wrong, if you have the choice of a flying job, go for it. However, if you want to build a career for yourself at a place where you can advance then this is the place. You just have to not think your better then anyone and be the person who jumps at the difficult stuff without being asked. Keep a low profile and lead by example, i.e. don't boss the others around and try to look like a hero. After about 6 mos on the ramp they start taking a pretty good look at what your all about. So make sure you get along with the guys and be easy going about stuff.
All that advice is for if you want to make a good go of it. If you go in there with the mindset that all you want to do is fly and the rest of the stuff is just beneth you then they'll see through it.
Just an aside to all the job seekers viewing this: My own opinion on getting a flying job from a ramp job (however flawed) is to try not to talk about flying ever. Just think of it this way... When someone wants something from you and you can't give it to them yet because the opening's not there, the more they mention it, the more uncomfortable you become. If every time you pass them in the hallway they look like they want to pull you aside and talk about future upgrades, you'll almost try to avoid them. If that keeps up for a while, as a boss you'll get to not like a person even if their a super hard worker. It's annoying when all someone does is try to win your favour on purpose. Now you have a job to give out... if you give it to the guys who's been bugging you, it looks like you've given in to all the mind games and end up feeling like a chump. If you give it to the guy who give you your space and works hard behind the scenes, you feel great. Now, which guy do you want to be?
Just the way I see things I guess,
Good luck with the decision, I know it's not easy these days,
Raf
There's starting a "ground" school for the ramp on the 4th and 40 people are invited. I think it's a great place to be and the people there are awesome. Every place has it's faults, but it's a job and just to have one these days is fantastic. less than 2 years ago I started there on the ramp and found that job after 2 full cross country road trips, and only because I ran into an old buddy from flight school who got me in. Now It's so much easier to get a ramp job these days that people are shopping around of the offers they have... must be nice. Don't get me wrong, if you have the choice of a flying job, go for it. However, if you want to build a career for yourself at a place where you can advance then this is the place. You just have to not think your better then anyone and be the person who jumps at the difficult stuff without being asked. Keep a low profile and lead by example, i.e. don't boss the others around and try to look like a hero. After about 6 mos on the ramp they start taking a pretty good look at what your all about. So make sure you get along with the guys and be easy going about stuff.
All that advice is for if you want to make a good go of it. If you go in there with the mindset that all you want to do is fly and the rest of the stuff is just beneth you then they'll see through it.
Just an aside to all the job seekers viewing this: My own opinion on getting a flying job from a ramp job (however flawed) is to try not to talk about flying ever. Just think of it this way... When someone wants something from you and you can't give it to them yet because the opening's not there, the more they mention it, the more uncomfortable you become. If every time you pass them in the hallway they look like they want to pull you aside and talk about future upgrades, you'll almost try to avoid them. If that keeps up for a while, as a boss you'll get to not like a person even if their a super hard worker. It's annoying when all someone does is try to win your favour on purpose. Now you have a job to give out... if you give it to the guys who's been bugging you, it looks like you've given in to all the mind games and end up feeling like a chump. If you give it to the guy who give you your space and works hard behind the scenes, you feel great. Now, which guy do you want to be?
Just the way I see things I guess,
Good luck with the decision, I know it's not easy these days,
Raf
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tripleseven
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Raf,
How could you not be happy there? You went right seat on a jetstream then less than a year later, your on the saab. What is your total time? As long as your happy at the expense of someone else, fine. If I had a needle and thread, I'd sew your lips to Terry's ass.
Oh, and by the way, you transwest guys think your so brave revealing your identies on the internet so that everyone knows who you are. My opinion is that you are hoping your bosses will read this (which they do) and you'll get the pat on the back. I'm gonna puke now.
How could you not be happy there? You went right seat on a jetstream then less than a year later, your on the saab. What is your total time? As long as your happy at the expense of someone else, fine. If I had a needle and thread, I'd sew your lips to Terry's ass.
Oh, and by the way, you transwest guys think your so brave revealing your identies on the internet so that everyone knows who you are. My opinion is that you are hoping your bosses will read this (which they do) and you'll get the pat on the back. I'm gonna puke now.
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Pushing Tin
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Pushing Tin
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Oh by the Water Wings, what a pretty little name, isn't it.
Are you the new guy's girlfriend ? If so don't take the job. The guys in YSF can't stand you already and you just got there.
The last thing TWA needs is a Twin Beaver !!!
Are you the new guy's girlfriend ? If so don't take the job. The guys in YSF can't stand you already and you just got there.
The last thing TWA needs is a Twin Beaver !!!
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permateacher
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Wow
Well, 777...
I'm pretty suprised at that bitter little post. I'm quite happy and lucky to be in my job actually. Now about being a kiss ass, that's the interesting thing.
Everyone's a tough guy on the internet. I PM'd you after some other bash of me in private so we could sort it out. You didn't get back to me and that's fine. Everyone has the right to sit in their parent's basement and fling mud at guys out there working. But you call me a kiss ass? You one guy I'd now really like to meet.
Call me what you will sittin in your PJ's hiding behind a computer with a secret identity. But not a lot of guys have the guts to say it to my face.
Hope to see you soon,
Take care
I'm pretty suprised at that bitter little post. I'm quite happy and lucky to be in my job actually. Now about being a kiss ass, that's the interesting thing.
Everyone's a tough guy on the internet. I PM'd you after some other bash of me in private so we could sort it out. You didn't get back to me and that's fine. Everyone has the right to sit in their parent's basement and fling mud at guys out there working. But you call me a kiss ass? You one guy I'd now really like to meet.
Call me what you will sittin in your PJ's hiding behind a computer with a secret identity. But not a lot of guys have the guts to say it to my face.
Hope to see you soon,
Take care
Its not about kiss assing or hoping that the bosses see this
If you want to take time out of your day to criticize a company, then fine, knock your socks off. i know i addressed you personally triple seven with regards to your comments about the company, but that was only because of what i said about it's the individuals here who provide the image to the customers on a day to day basis
where we as a tw group are coming together and revealing our names is in defense of people we consider our friends. if you want to attack people personally without revealing yourself, that's cowardly. no one deserves that blindsind attack, regardless of their flying histories.
like i said earlier, validate your comments.
now chill da f**k out and go do something useful with your time, 777 and pushing tin
If you want to take time out of your day to criticize a company, then fine, knock your socks off. i know i addressed you personally triple seven with regards to your comments about the company, but that was only because of what i said about it's the individuals here who provide the image to the customers on a day to day basis
where we as a tw group are coming together and revealing our names is in defense of people we consider our friends. if you want to attack people personally without revealing yourself, that's cowardly. no one deserves that blindsind attack, regardless of their flying histories.
like i said earlier, validate your comments.
now chill da f**k out and go do something useful with your time, 777 and pushing tin
Posts like Permateacher's are so annoying: What's with these companies (particularly those up in YZF) where you must abide by all the rules of etiquette....Ramp jobs suck....we learned to fly not clean hangar floors and catch planes at the dock....so what if "they" see right though you....the reality is that you paid money to learn to fly probably because that is what you wanted to do for a living-just as a person goes to law school to be a lawyer not work sweeping the courtroom. My two cents.
Oh and Pushing Tin....Just wondering if you hate Water Wings for who she is or just for what she is...I noticed a lot of places like TW (only from what I learned here) can't stand it when a woman walks in....Are you scared she may be smarter than you? I noticed many people here can't spell to save their lives; hope it's not a reflection of their intelligence.
Oh and Pushing Tin....Just wondering if you hate Water Wings for who she is or just for what she is...I noticed a lot of places like TW (only from what I learned here) can't stand it when a woman walks in....Are you scared she may be smarter than you? I noticed many people here can't spell to save their lives; hope it's not a reflection of their intelligence.
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water wings
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Well, thank you. i am actually legally his wife... and considering how many couples work for Transwest, and how the company does try to keep them together, i never thought i would come across this attitude. Thank you very much for reassuring me that i will have to prove myself even more than i already have to.Pushing Tin wrote:Oh by the Water Wings, what a pretty little name, isn't it.
Are you the new guy's girlfriend ? If so don't take the job. The guys in YSF can't stand you already and you just got there.
The last thing TWA needs is a Twin Beaver !!!
I did not get my hours or my experience due to my spousal relationship, like everyone else on this forum, we worked for it, sometimes doubting why we would continue, but nonetheless persevering, working hard just like you no doubt had to do to get where you are today.
This is one of 3 job offers i received. TWA being the only non-flying job. I chose TWA not only because of the promising advice posted on this thread, but because i may be lucky enough to have both of my loves in one place (eventually flying and my spouse)
This is a rare opportunity in this industry and would be a fool to think that it didn't have anything to do with my choice.
I am disappointed that i am going to have to deal with an attitude I thought had faded with the times. In particular i was surprised to see your comments on this forum.
I believe i have done my best to introduce myself to everyone in YSF, and everyone has been kind - to my face at least. If you have any concerns over me choosing Transwest as my career, please talk to me or my husband personally. I have had to use my CRM to deal with crusty old Captains and saucy Flight Attendants who had a problem with female pilots and this should be no different.
My apologies if my TT, my marital status, my career choice or my ambition offends you. It was not intentional. Once again, please have the professional courtesy to speak to me personally about any of your concerns. I nonetheless wish you luck on your career path, hoping that you can be happier soon.
Thanks to everyone else who gave me honest advice, much appreciated!!
fly safe!!
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Water Wings :
A couple of weeks ago I flew Vancouver - Chichago _ Amsterdan on United Airlines the captain on the long haul Chicago to Amsterdam was female.
On the return flight a week later from Amsterdam back to Chicago the captain was a female and of course a different one.
Now does that say anything about womens place in aviation?
I do and you should just ignore morons like 'Pushing Tin.
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A couple of weeks ago I flew Vancouver - Chichago _ Amsterdan on United Airlines the captain on the long haul Chicago to Amsterdam was female.
On the return flight a week later from Amsterdam back to Chicago the captain was a female and of course a different one.
Now does that say anything about womens place in aviation?
I do and you should just ignore morons like 'Pushing Tin.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
