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[Big Pistons Forever]

Further to the W & B thread and something to get the old hungover from the TGIF brain cells, working.

Cheap'n'Nasty flying services does 6 flights in their C 172.

1) A dual training flight for a PPL student
2) A dual training flight for a CPL licensed pilot working on her IFR rating
3) A X -Country flight by the owner to bring a AME and a new battery to rescue a stranded aircraft
4) A local area sightseeing flight with 3 Pax
5) A local area flight with a professional photographer to take some pictures of a new housing development
6) A flight to take a paying Pax to another airport

Which part of the CARS governs each flight ?

[Walker]

1) A dual training flight for a PPL student
2) A dual training flight for a CPL licensed pilot working on her IFR rating
3) A X -Country flight by the owner to bring a AME and a new battery to rescue a stranded aircraft
4) A local area sightseeing flight with 3 Pax
5) A local area flight with a professional photographer to take some pictures of a new housing development
6) A flight to take a paying Pax to another airport

Which part of the CARS governs each flight ?

1) Part 4
2) Part 4 (if they have IFR on their OC)
3) Part 6
4) Part 4 or Part 7
5) Part 4 or Part 7
6) Part 7

how'd I do?

Edit my bad, typo

So an FTU can't do photography?

[iflyforpie]

Part 5 is maintenance...

1) A dual training flight for a PPL student 406
2) A dual training flight for a CPL licensed pilot working on her IFR rating 406
3) A X -Country flight by the owner to bring a AME and a new battery to rescue a stranded aircraft 602
4) A local area sightseeing flight with 3 Pax 602
5) A local area flight with a professional photographer to take some pictures of a new housing development 702
6) A flight to take a paying Pax to another airport 703/4/5

[Hedley]

Eject! Eject! Eject!

PS re: (4) - You can do local sightseeing flights for hire under 406 - perfectly legit, as long as an instructor is PIC.

[Shiny Side Up]

So an FTU can't do photography?

No.

[iflyforpie]

So an FTU can't do photography?

No.

Kind of a grey area since you could say it was sight seeing and the guy happened to have a camera. But you can't have an ops spec and go below minimum altitudes like in 702 though... Also, if the guy is working for a commercial photography company it would be frowned upon, but it also could be plausibly deniable...

[Big Pistons Forever]

Further to the W & B thread and something to get the old hungover from the TGIF brain cells, working.

Cheap'n'Nasty flying services does 6 flights in their C 172.

1) A dual training flight for a PPL student 406
2) A dual training flight for a CPL licensed pilot working on her IFR rating 406 (if FTU is approved for IFR training)
3) A X -Country flight by the owner to bring a AME and a new battery to rescue a stranded aircraft 602
4) A local area sightseeing flight with 3 Pax 602 if a PPL renter(PIC pays for flight only very only limted cost sharing allowed),406 if operated under FTU certificate(can be paying passengers but PIC has to be an instructor),703 if operated under OC (paying passengers, PIC has to be a CPL with a valid PCC)
5) A local area flight with a professional photographer to take some pictures of a new housing development 702
6) A flight to take a paying Pax to another airport 703

Which part of the CARS governs each flight ?

My 02 cents in red.......anyone disagree or have additional comments ?

[Walker]

Nope, sounds good to me!

[5x5]

Also, if the guy is working for a commercial photography company it would be frowned upon, but it also could be plausibly deniable...

I'm not sure how much you've dealt with TC, but "plausible deniability" isn't something that comes into play.

If the passenger is taking pictures for compensation/sale, you cannot do it under your flight school OC - you need to have charter.

[Shiny Side Up]

Also, if the guy is working for a commercial photography company it would be frowned upon, but it also could be plausibly deniable...

I'm not sure how much you've dealt with TC, but "plausible deniability" isn't something that comes into play.

Especially when its the photographer himself who might be the one fingering you. Been there done that, got the letter, had the phone call, had a visit from the inspector. One of the very, very specific questions the enforcement fellow asked was "do you do photo flights under your flight school OC?" To which of course I had the right answer which was "no, I do it under my charter OC." It then also became my burden to prove that indeed I had such in place and had the appropriate training program (and the mound of papers proving it was conducted), as stated in the CARs, and prove that it wasn't just any instructor I was sending out on these flights.

I should say here that the guys who do this work (the photographers) are a very competitive lot. Keep your ducks in a row. Its not the photographer they're going to come after if the TC people decide you're doing something you're not supposed to be.