Jazz pilots contract?

[TypeRated]

I heard that the contract for Jazz pilots expired last summer. Do they have a contract now? Is there any hiring going on?
Thanks

[PC12flyer]

No contract yet. Managment and the union are in what is called Concilliation talks, they are meeting with a mediator who is supposed to help both parties agree on a contract. However last week we received a memo stating that the talks had broken off and the union is now authorized a strike vote to be taken. If we don't have a contract by June 12 and the membership gives its MEC a mandate we would be in a legal strike position. Hopefully it doesn't come to actually going on strike because that's a total failure for both parties but I hope we give the MEC the mandate to use that card if necessary to get a great contract!

So to answer your question, no contract, however negotiations are "still" ongoing. Hiring is not expected any time soon. All rumours I have heard have the B757's being crewed by excess pilot capacity already within the system. Attrition is also expected to be low for the next few years with few retirements planned. This could all change when the new contract is in place. Hope this helps.

Cheers

[BLZD1]

Ask AC pilots what happens during mediation. Avoid it, just strike!!!!

[Localizer]

May 13, 2010

Jazz Pilots to Vote on Strike Action Authorization to Back Contract Demands

TORONTO—The Jazz Master Executive Council (MEC) has announced that they are conducting a strike ballot of the membership to back contract demands. Jazz pilots, who are represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), have been negotiating with their management for a new contract for more than a year.

“Jazz Air LP earned nearly $600 million in profits since exiting the Companies Creditors Arrangement Act (CCAA) in September 2004. Yet, over the course of more than 50 days of face-to-face meetings and three weeks of federal conciliation, Jazz Air has offered its pilots nothing whatsoever at the bargaining table,” Capt. John Prater, ALPA president, said. The conciliation period ends on May 22, and cannot be extended without the consent of both ALPA and Jazz Air. Once conciliation ends, a 21-day cooling-off period begins.

“It is incredible to us that the management of this remarkably profitable airline refuses to share the proceeds of success with the very people who are responsible for ensuring our company’s continuing longevity—the 1,519 pilots of Jazz Air LP,” Capt. Brian Shury, Jazz MEC chairman, added. “When you rationally consider this, it would be irresponsible to accept the concessions that Jazz is demanding while at the same time its senior executives continue to reward themselves handsomely.”

“By taking this action, Jazz pilots are signaling that their management must stop stalling and finalize a contract that addresses the pilots’ legitimate needs,” Capt. Prater emphasized. The Jazz pilot leadership has taken this step very reluctantly. No strike deadline has been set yet, however the mandatory cooling-off period will expire at midnight on June 12, 2010. Strike action is possible at any time after that date.

Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilot union, representing nearly 53,000 pilots at 38 airlines in the United States and Canada. Visit the ALPA website at http://www.alpa.org. Jazz Air LP provides regional service on behalf of Air Canada to more than 80 centres across Canada and the United States on more than 800 daily flights.

[aerodude]

Don't forget about the Jazz funds also used to invest in a south american airline

[Inverted2]

Yes, Jazz management would rather put their money in a foreign airline then pay their own employees a respectable wage. They are going to be getting a reality check in June!!!

[bowling]

Don't really think you will scare anybody with a strike vote:

1- no Jazz pilot will risk the CPA
2- no jazz pilot will risk the 757 agreement

you will all be signing on the line at the bottom of the page, after striking for a few days

Management knows it


bowling

BTW: if you wanted better conditions you guys should have applied to skyservice instead of lowering the bar to get their jobs.. it would have been better than flying a 757 for 50k a year and try to get a 3%increase on top of that

[teacher]

1 - No Jazz pilot gives a damn about the CPA if it means a less than a "career contract"

2 - No Jazz pilot gives a damn about the 757 if it means a less than "career contract"

If you think Jazz is lowering the bar with the 757 contract you don't inderstand status pay and never will.

SkyService was failing and Thomas Cook knew that.

Management WILL pony up instead of risk the CPA and the TC contact as this pilot group will not blink first, if they don't know that now they will find out soon.

[Obbie]

I heard that !!!!!

Voted today, Strike Vote YES.

CAREER CONTRACT - WE ARE NOT ASKING !!!!!!

[mattedfred]

Don't really think you will scare anybody with a strike vote:

1- no Jazz pilot will risk the CPA
2- no jazz pilot will risk the 757 agreement

you will all be signing on the line at the bottom of the page, after striking for a few days

Management knows it


bowling

BTW: if you wanted better conditions you guys should have applied to skyservice instead of lowering the bar to get their jobs.. it would have been better than flying a 757 for 50k a year and try to get a 3%increase on top of that

yes i do think a strong strike mandate will have the desired effect

how exactly would a strong strike mandate risk either the CPA or the TC agreement?

are you currently a member of a trade union?

how exactly did jazz pilots lower the bar when their employer bid on a contract that TC brought to the market for tender?

you do realize that jazz was awarded the TC contract without securing WAWCON for the jazz pilots?

[proper]

Don't give a shit about any Boeing, Airbus or even the friggin Shuttle. I will fly rubber dogshit out of Valdor in an Islander if the pay and conditions are good. Career contract. The fact that you even think that us here at Jazz would ever place carrots ahead of conditions just highlights the fact that you don't work for Jazz and that you have no idea what we are about and what our pilot group is like. Good day sir... I SAID GOOD DAY lol

[dream_big]

Don't really think you will scare anybody with a strike vote:

1- no Jazz pilot will risk the CPA
2- no jazz pilot will risk the 757 agreement

you will all be signing on the line at the bottom of the page, after striking for a few days

Management knows it


bowling

BTW: if you wanted better conditions you guys should have applied to skyservice instead of lowering the bar to get their jobs.. it would have been better than flying a 757 for 50k a year and try to get a 3%increase on top of that

aside from the fact that you should already look like a buffoon for posting something so irrational, you are really going to feel incredibly (something not to harsh for a forum), non smart come June when jazz pilots get EXACTLY what they are fighting for right now!

Good luck to all the jazz pilots!!!!!!!!

[bowling]

ok put Skyservice aside for a moment...


this is what will happen

1- 15% (probably more like 25%-30%) don't give a s%it about career it's a stepping stone... AC-WJA-TRZ
2- 15% are closer to retirement and just want peace...
3- 15% can't afford a long strike (mortgage, family...)
4- 15% are followers so split it in 2 if you want...

You are still over 50%... You will be signing on the line after a short strike

my bet..

[truedude]

ok put Skyservice aside for a moment...


this is what will happen

1- 15% (probably more like 25%-30%) don't give a s%it about career it's a stepping stone... AC-WJA-TRZ
2- 15% are closer to retirement and just want peace...
3- 15% can't afford a long strike (mortgage, family...)
4- 15% are followers so split it in 2 if you want...

You are still over 50%... You will be signing on the line after a short strike

my bet..

Bowling, your an idiot! Get a life, a hobby, a girl, anything at all that will stop you from posting idiotic and ill informed opinions.

[mattedfred]

Bowling,

how exactly would a strong strike mandate risk either the CPA or the TC agreement?

are you currently a member of a trade union?

how exactly did jazz pilots lower the bar when their employer bid on a contract that TC brought to the market for tender?

you do realize that jazz was awarded the TC contract without securing WAWCON for the jazz pilots?

wouldn't negotiating a TA following a few days on strike be a good thing?

[rudder]

bowling,

You are incorrect on both fronts. If the SSV employees are looking for someone to blame then they can look to Gibralt Capital Corp. Jazz did not underbid SSV as they were effectively insolvent. TUI knew it and gave notice of early termination of what was supposed to be a long term agreement. Thomas Cook knew it and still got caught holding the bag on a very large loan to SSV. This information is all in the public domain.

http://cfcanada.fticonsulting.com/skyservice/

As for Jazz, consensus is that the company proposals have even alienated the moderates which is indicative of the disconnect between the owners/managers and the employees. A majority of the Jazz pilots have been on strike before so there is very little that will be gained in ill conceived attempts at fear mongering.

[dream_big]

ok put Skyservice aside for a moment...


this is what will happen

1- 15% (probably more like 25%-30%) don't give a s%it about career it's a stepping stone... AC-WJA-TRZ
2- 15% are closer to retirement and just want peace...
3- 15% can't afford a long strike (mortgage, family...)
4- 15% are followers so split it in 2 if you want...

You are still over 50%... You will be signing on the line after a short strike

my bet..

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
.......my bet is you don't even have a commercial license to back up such stupid idiotic remarks!
Seriously, either your IQ is incredibly low, or you're just trying to make some people angry on here. It's quite amusing.
I'll bite though!
1. even if a stepping stone, anyone at jazz probably wants a better contract, since IT IS their job and may be for the rest of the career.
2. Anyone, retiring soon WILL strike with hopes of a better contract and a better retirement!
3. from the sounds of things what I've been told, it's not going to be a LONG strike or a strike at all for that matter
4. you make no sense! just give up on life buddy!

[flyinhigh]

BTW: if you wanted better conditions you guys should have applied to skyservice instead of lowering the bar to get their jobs.. it would have been better than flying a 757 for 50k a year and try to get a 3%increase on top of that

Your absolutely right I should have worked there to get laid off or be stuck over seas for 6 months of the year, have no airline travel like we get or no pention, and to now be out of a job. Woo sounds like the conditions there where so good that you took yourself out of a job. Congrats buddy,

Yes, your right I am lowering the bar to fly YOUR 57 that you had such good conditions on.

cheers, happy flights. And good luck on the Commercial Test.

[hypoxic]

Why does everyone think AC will cancel the CPA if there is a strike? Who can take over that much work with such little notice? IMHO if a strike does take place and Jazz violates the stipulations set out in the CPA, AC will just renegotiate it. It will probably include lower min hours and less markup to bring the CPA more in line with what other regional carrier contracts are.

[Brize]

Which is exactly why Jazz Management will not allow for a strike to happen. They will on the other hand, take it right down to the wire.

[Captn Flex]

Teacher: What is a "career contract"?

[teacher]

A "career contract" is one that can support someone who decides to make Jazz their permanent job. More and more people have decided that this is where they want to stay. A “career contract” is not a “transient” or “stepping stone” contract.

Our slogan "We're Not Asking" speaks for it's self.

[Captn Flex]

Thanks Teacher for the explanation.
Many made a career choice to fly at Jazz. It is a personnal choice and i respect it.
You now have a status pay system that allow the choice of working conditions whitout having to compromise your pay.
You have a good contract (with reserve rules better than those at AC), a define benefit pension plan.
A good health plan and a long term disabiliy plan (some type of loss of licence).
So what change are your looking at to make it a ''career contract''?

[mattedfred]

we have not had the opportunity to negotiate a collective agreement in over 10 years

merger, 911, CCAA and now a CPA

[merlin]

Captn Flex, have you seen the Jazz pay scale of late?

Teacher, you say you aren't asking. So what kind of pay increase are you demanding?