bowling wrote:Don't really think you will scare anybody with a strike vote:
1- no Jazz pilot will risk the CPA
2- no jazz pilot will risk the 757 agreement
you will all be signing on the line at the bottom of the page, after striking for a few days
Management knows it
bowling
BTW: if you wanted better conditions you guys should have applied to skyservice instead of lowering the bar to get their jobs.. it would have been better than flying a 757 for 50k a year and try to get a 3%increase on top of that
ok put Skyservice aside for a moment...
this is what will happen
1- 15% (probably more like 25%-30%) don't give a s%it about career it's a stepping stone... AC-WJA-TRZ
2- 15% are closer to retirement and just want peace...
3- 15% can't afford a long strike (mortgage, family...)
4- 15% are followers so split it in 2 if you want...
You are still over 50%... You will be signing on the line after a short strike
my bet..
Well Bowling,
Results are in: 90.6% of the eligible pilots voted with 98.73% voting in FAVOUR of a strike.
So there you go. So much for your bet
Cheers
DH
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Basically the ball is in the company's court. We proposed our demands and we demostrated how far we are willing to go in order to get it....
The company will no doubt be calling our negots team (they may be doing it right now as I am typing this) to set up meetings to continue bargaining.
Both groups will be in negotiation until June 13th (When we are in a legal strike position). If a TA is reached by then, it will continue with business as usual. The TA will go out the pilot group via roadshows for ratification. If the TA is ratified, bargaining is done.
If both groups can not agree to a TA by June 13th, the MEC has the authorization to call for a strike.
What happens now is that the Company has to digest our resolve to shut operations down on June 13 if they fail to come back to the table and show some RESPECT! Time to start sharing some of the wealth amongst those who create that wealth. Pressure will mount on management to do something and that pressure will increase the closer we get to strike date. The unitholders will see the unit price drop with increasing uncertainty. A 7 days continuous disruption of service gives AC the right to terminate the CPA, so as you can see, management has to do something. The only wild card is back to work legislation.
prop2jet wrote:What happens now is that the Company has to digest our resolve to shut operations down on June 13 if they fail to come back to the table and show some RESPECT! Time to start sharing some of the wealth amongst those who create that wealth. Pressure will mount on management to do something and that pressure will increase the closer we get to strike date. The unitholders will see the unit price drop with increasing uncertainty. A 7 days continuous disruption of service gives AC the right to terminate the CPA, so as you can see, management has to do something. The only wild card is back to work legislation.
Well played. The timing of a strike mandate heading into busy summer travel season is perfect. More pressure to resolve the labour dispute. If you are legislated back to work, it really doesn't matter. You are still in a labour dispute and all you have to do is follow your job description to the letter. 45 minute walk-arounds. Taxiing at safe speeds of 5kts. Unfortunate co-ordination of fatigue book offs when there is low reserve coverage. That's when the fun really starts!!
What the Jazz pilots could use now is the support of their mainline counterparts. Neither group should be used as a 'tool' to thwart the normal collective bargaining process, including withdrawal of services.
There is most certainly alot of water under the bridge. But the Jazz pilots are clearly demonstrating that the era of bar lowering is over. A rising tide raises all boats.
Basically the ball is in the company's court. We proposed our demands and we demostrated how far we are willing to go in order to get it....
The company will no doubt be calling our negots team (they may be doing it right now as I am typing this) to set up meetings to continue bargaining.
Both groups will be in negotiation until June 13th (When we are in a legal strike position). If a TA is reached by then, it will continue with business as usual. The TA will go out the pilot group via roadshows for ratification. If the TA is ratified, bargaining is done.
If both groups can not agree to a TA by June 13th, the MEC has the authorization to call for a strike.
Thanks for the info and I wish all Jazz pilots best of luck! I look forward to a positive outcome.
What the Jazz pilots could use now is the support of their mainline counterparts. Neither group should be used as a 'tool' to thwart the normal collective bargaining process, including withdrawal of services.
There is most certainly alot of water under the bridge. But the Jazz pilots are clearly demonstrating that the era of bar lowering is over. A rising tide raises all boats.
rudder wrote:What the Jazz pilots could use now is the support of their mainline counterparts. Neither group should be used as a 'tool' to thwart the normal collective bargaining process, including withdrawal of services.
There is most certainly alot of water under the bridge. But the Jazz pilots are clearly demonstrating that the era of bar lowering is over. A rising tide raises all boats.
It's a non-issue. ACPA MEC has been in close communication with JAZZ MEC
ACPA has provided assurances to ALPA that we cannot provide any relief outside of our collective agreement during this negotiation process.
So no, mainline will not be scabbing to pick up any extra flying that may come available... even though there is a tsunami of water that has passed under the bridge. Some of us can see the forest for the trees.
yycflyguy wrote:
If you are legislated back to work, it really doesn't matter.
The beauty here is that it was agreed during barganing that we have no essential services meaning that they can't come get us legislated to work.
thats how smart our management is,oh sure you go on strike enjoy it, we won't bother you. i'm sure air canada will say something though as we operate for them.
The party that would principally benefit from legislation ending a strike at Jazz would be the Jazz unitholders who apparently have developed a sense of entitlement in respect of the overly generous distribution rate. I am not sure that the politicos in YOW stay awake at night worrying about corporate owners.
It is a shame that AC and AC pasengers will be affected by a work stoppage at Jazz. As the current sole active customer of Jazz, one can presume that AC will have an opinion that will be provided to the Jazz Executive suite.
flyinhigh wrote:The beauty here is that it was agreed during barganing that we have no essential services meaning that they can't come get us legislated to work.
maintenance of services agreement (essential services) and back to work legislation are two separate issues
it is true that JALP did not apply for a maintenance of services agreement but it is not true that the federal government does not have the ability to legislate us back to work
it would be interesting to see how they would be able to to do so in a minority government
airmech07 wrote:suck it up pilots, take the 2-2-2% raise just like everyone else. Us maintenance guys took a hit..then you guys whine all day long because you have to take off turn on auto pilot and land big deal! So you want 5% over the next 3 years, c'mon you guys make enough money just as it is.
Try working days, afternoons and nights for the next 25 years, and tell me if you actually made it without having heart attacks..strokes...etc.
your kidding right?
as a jazz pilot i respect your legal right to negotiate a collective bargaining agreement that the majority of your group deem to be acceptable
all i ask is that you respect our legal right to do the same
one gets what they negotiate and not what they deserve. this is not about making 'enough' or comparing our working conditions to yours.
we work for the same employer but we are both part of different trade unions.
airmech07 wrote:suck it up pilots, take the 2-2-2% raise just like everyone else. Us maintenance guys took a hit..then you guys whine all day long because you have to take off turn on auto pilot and land big deal! So you want 5% over the next 3 years, c'mon you guys make enough money just as it is.
Try working days, afternoons and nights for the next 25 years, and tell me if you actually made it without having heart attacks..strokes...etc.
Airmech, there is no doubt that your group along with the agents and dispatchers got a sour deal. However that is no excuse for the pilot group and others who have yet to sign an agreement to accept the same pittiful offer. Frankly you get what you negotiate. I for one was suprised that your group was the first to settle, I thought for sure you would have all walked out.
All I can say at this point is that when your agreement expires in a couple of years you will have an opportunity to correct what needs to be corrected.
Remember your sitting on the ground when the shit hits the fan... The astronaut and the astrologist. Don't fold like a 2$ hooker, stand together and fight.
Way to go Jazz pilots!
wow airmech... Everyone... that speaks for itself lol
Remember your sitting on the ground when the shit hits the fan... The astronaut and the astrologist. Don't fold like a 2$ hooker, stand together and fight.
Way to go Jazz pilots!
airmech07 wrote:suck it up pilots, take the 2-2-2% raise just like everyone else. Us maintenance guys took a hit..then you guys whine all day long because you have to take off turn on auto pilot and land big deal! So you want 5% over the next 3 years, c'mon you guys make enough money just as it is.
Try working days, afternoons and nights for the next 25 years, and tell me if you actually made it without having heart attacks..strokes...etc.
Careful. Pilots have a lot of respect for AME's and supported you when you had your contract talks. Don't screw our relationship up.
Way to go guys! Thanks everyone for voting YES, what a great show of support.
Airmech, dude, sorry you guys got a shitty deal but there is no way we will ''suck it up'' and accept the company's offer. A 2% increase in salary is a f*%&ing joke! For a first year FO thats a raise of 720$ a year before taxes... We had $60 million a year pulled out of our collective bargaining agreement last time around and we will not ''suck it up'' any longer. All the employee groups will eventually benefit if we get a good deal, because when the time comes to renegotiate your own collective bargaining agreement, you can point to the increases we got.
Hopefully a strike will not be necessary but I for one am 100% ready, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain, whereas the company has everything to lose.
yes we did get screwed, I am an AME and I voted No for our contract. You guys will get what you want you always do and if you don't you walk...then days later the government will mandate back to work legislation. We are canada's airline and we fly more then air canada. I just hope you guys don't go on strike because us mechanics...etc will be layed off
