Flight Duty

[klimman123]

Pilot "A" works on call.
Due to the type of work he does not work everyday. CARS state that he needs 3 days off within 17 days.
His employer says that since he does not work everyday the CARS don'y apply, only total flight time in the period.
But Pilot "A" during his time on call, he must be at work at a moments notice for a flight.
To me Pilot "A", during his time on call is not free from duty.
Looking for opinons from people who operate like this.

Cheers

[On condition]

Requirements for Time Free from Duty

700.19 (1) Subject to subsection (2), an air operator shall provide each flight crew member with the following time free from duty:

(a) where the operation is conducted under Subpart 4 or 5 using an aircraft other than a helicopter, one period of at least 36 consecutive hours within each 7 consecutive days or one period of at least 3 consecutive calendar days within each 17 consecutive days;

(b) where the operation is conducted under Subpart 2 or 3 or is conducted using a helicopter, one period of at least 24 consecutive hours 13 times within each 90 consecutive days and 3 times within each 30 consecutive days; and

(c) where the flight crew member is a flight crew member on call, one period of at least 36 consecutive hours within each 7 consecutive days or one period of at least 3 consecutive calendar days within each 17 consecutive days.

[KAG]

"The CARS don't apply"...priceless...
Pilot "A" quotes the above to the employeer, and the conversation is over.

[klimman123]

On Condition

Thanks for the reply, however I understand the CARS.
Basically, the employer says, "you didn't fly yesterday, so lets call that a day off"
This type of mentality shouldn't be present, but it's not a unique experience.
I looking to hear from people that operate this way and support it or condemn it.

[xsbank]

Crap. Some of the really cheesy charter operators will send you to, oh, L.A. for a three-day layover and call that your days off.

[EastCoaster]

Your time free from duty must be actually planned days and can't simply be because you were weathered or on stuck in LA with the aircraft. That being said, if the schedule comes out and has you scheduled for days off in LA, that's legal. It just has to be planned in advance and not decided once the thunderstorms hit and delay the golf tournament. Worth noting though, is that most pilots in an unscheduled/standby type operation are paid by the mile or hour/whatever, and want to use whichever duty rules can get them back flying, so most would agree that whether they'd been told that the past three rain days was time off or not, they'd call them days off to reset their duty and get another 17 days of flying. Whether you think this is okay or not, it's common practise in an industry where most people working on that kind of schedule are there to gain hours and most likely are trying to make loan payments or mortgages and only get paid when they're flying.

Hope that helps.

[KAG]

If (big IF here) the company treats you well, pays you well, and you barely fly and when you do fly you get lots of notice, then yeah I might consider it. But it sounds like you do fly, with little notice and therefore cannot really get any down time.

I’ve worked a 14/3 in the medevac world, and even if I didn’t fly (which was rare) I had to be ready. The company once asked me to do something outside the CARS in relation to rest/suitable accommodation; I said no and cracked a beer.
I guess it all boils down to your relationship with your employer, how they treat you in general, and if they are taking advantage of you.
Remember, it’s your ass if something draws TC's attention.

[Sky Bound]

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[Tim]

how about doing the 'yesterday was my day off' thing if you know your boss is gonna make it up to you with some extra days or a longer vacation?

[A Regulator]

Here are all the references from all parts. the last part is a good one that most operators do not comply with.

"flight crew member on reserve" - means a flight crew member who has been designated by an air operator to be available to report for flight duty on notice of more than one hour;

"flight crew member on call" - means a flight crew member who has been designated by an air operator to be available to report for flight duty on notice of one hour or less;

"flight crew member on standby" - means a flight crew member who has been designated by an air operator or private operator to remain at a specified location in order to be available to report for flight duty on notice of one hour or less;

"crew member" - means a person assigned to duty in an aircraft during flight time;

"flight crew member" - means a crew member assigned to act as pilot or flight engineer of an aircraft during flight time;

"flight deck duty time" - means the period spent by a flight crew member at a flight crew member position in an aeroplane during flight time;

"flight duty time" - means the period that starts when a flight crew member reports for a flight, or reports as a flight crew member on standby, and finishes at "engines off" or "rotors stopped" at the end of the final flight, except in the case of a flight conducted under Subpart 4 or 5 of Part VII, in which case the period finishes 15 minutes after "engines off" or "rotors stopped" at the end of the final flight, and includes the time required to complete any duties assigned by the air operator or private operator or delegated by the Minister prior to the reporting time and includes the time required to complete aircraft maintenance engineer duties prior to or following a flight;

"flight time" - means the time from the moment an aircraft first moves under its own power for the purpose of taking off until the moment it comes to rest at the end of the flight;

700.21 (1) An air operator shall provide flight crew members on reserve, within each 24-hour period, with a rest period that meets the requirements of the Commercial Air Service Standards.
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720.21 Flight Crew Members on Reserve
The standards for compliance with this section are:
(1) An air operator shall provide each flight crew member with an opportunity to obtain at least 8 consecutive hours sleep in any 24 consecutive hours while on reserve by one of the following methods:
(a) the air operator shall provide the flight crew member with 24 hours notice of the time of commencement and duration of the rest period. The designated rest period cannot shift more than 3 hours earlier or later than the preceding rest period, nor more than a total of 8 hours in any 7 consecutive days;
(b) the flight crew member shall be given a minimum of 10 hours notice of the assignment and shall not be assigned any duty for these 10 hours; or
(c) the air operator shall not assign the flight crew member to flight duty time and shall not interrupt the flight crew member's rest period between 22:00 and 06:00 local time.
(2) Where an air operator is unable to provide a flight crew member with a rest period required by subsection (1) and the flight crew member is notified to report for flight duty or the reporting time occurs between 22:00 and 06:00 local time:
(a) the maximum flight duty time shall be 10 consecutive hours; and
(b) the subsequent minimum rest period shall be increased by at least one-half the length of the preceding flight duty time.
700.15 Flight Time Limitations
700.15 (1) Subject to subsection (2), no air operator shall assign a flight crew member for flight time, and no flight crew member shall accept such an assignment, if the flight crew member's total flight time in all flights conducted by the flight crew member will, as a result, exceed
(a) 1,200 hours in any 365 consecutive days;
(b) 300 hours in any 90 consecutive days;
(c) 120 hours in any 30 consecutive days or, in the case of a flight crew member on call, 100 hours in any 30 consecutive days;
(d) where the flight is conducted under Subpart 4 or 5 using an aircraft other than a helicopter, 40 hours in any 7 consecutive days;
(e) where the flight is conducted under Subpart 2 or 3, or is conducted using a helicopter, 60 hours in any 7 consecutive days; or
(f) where the flight crew member conducts single-pilot IFR flights, 8 hours in any 24 consecutive hours. 2
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700.19 Requirements for Time Free from Duty
700.19 (1) Subject to subsection (2), an air operator shall provide each flight crew member with the following time free from duty:
(a) where the operation is conducted under Subpart 4 or 5 using an aircraft other than a helicopter, one period of at least 36 consecutive hours within each 7 consecutive days or one period of at least 3 consecutive calendar days within each 17 consecutive days;
(b) where the operation is conducted under Subpart 2 or 3 or is conducted using a helicopter, one period of at least 24 consecutive hours 13 times within each 90 consecutive days and 3 times within each 30 consecutive days; and
(c) where the flight crew member is a flight crew member on call, one period of at least 36 consecutive hours within each 7 consecutive days or one period of at least 3 consecutive calendar days within each 17 consecutive days.
(2) An air operator may provide a flight crew member with time free from duty other than as required by paragraphs (1)(a) and (b) if
(a) the time free from duty is authorized in the air operator certificate; and
(b) the air operator and the flight crew member comply with the Commercial Air Service Standards.

(3) An air operator shall notify a flight crew member on call of the commencement and duration of the flight crew member's time free from duty.

[Airtids]

...and how does any/all of this relate to 604 ops?

[rigpiggy]

Just a bit off topic, but what is the maximum hours you can fly in a year? I know CARS says 1200 hours in any 365 consecutive days, but I thought some operators can get exemptions. I'm sure somebody told me they flew like 1500 hours in one year...

no still limited to 1200/annum, however can get special extensions for seasonal work for up to 150/mth, but still limited to

S740.15 Flight Time Limitations

(1)&(2)The flight time limitations contained in CASS 720.15 are not applicable to flight crew members on call.

(1)&(2) If a flight crew member operates a DHC6 or helicopter in both scheduled passenger service and non-scheduled operations, or operates a helicopter conducting heli-logging in addition to other work, the flight crew member must fly only the type of operation that has the less restrictive flight time limit once the more restrictive limit has been reached. Take as an example, a pilot flying a DHC6 on both scheduled and non-scheduled operations. The first 120 hours of the 150 hour limit for 30 consecutive days can be flown in either scheduled or non-scheduled operations, as per CAR 700.15(1)(c). All flight time after 120 hours has been completed up to 150 hours in the 30 consecutive days must be completed only in non-scheduled operations as per CASS

[rigpiggy]

I believe that you are also limited to 90 days, and your 6 month/yearly max times are still the same. I can't find the reference though

[A Regulator]

...and how does any/all of this relate to 604 ops?

It does not, there is no regulatory 604 flight duty times that you have to follow. Flight Duty times only apply to commercial ops., Your 604 Ops manual propably has some limits but then you can use your SMS to "risk" them away and not comply.

just my 2 cents...