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True, I don't know anything at all about that crew but I suppose I was generalizing the US feeder experience & renumeration. That, you have to agree with me on.
Westjet did it a little while ago too on the very same runway and they weren't the first.
Good time to complain about the airport at our capital city - all that concrete but no c/l lighting and must be the world's last back course approach. Crappy ground lighting too.
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xsbank wrote:Good time to complain about the airport at our capital city - all that concrete but no c/l lighting and must be the world's last back course approach. Crappy ground lighting too.
What are the approaches on 10 in YYC and 20 in YEG?
xsbank wrote:Good time to complain about the airport at our capital city - all that concrete but no c/l lighting and must be the world's last back course approach. Crappy ground lighting too.
What are the approaches on 10 in YYC and 20 in YEG?
xsbank wrote:Good time to complain about the airport at our capital city - all that concrete but no c/l lighting and must be the world's last back course approach. Crappy ground lighting too.
What are the approaches on 10 in YYC and 20 in YEG?
Runway 25 in CYOW becomes the worst piece of pavement in the country when it gets a skiff of water on it.
I hope and pray that these guys put'er down on speed on the centreline and on the 1000 footer. Then they can submit the repair bill to the airport authority who can take a bit of money out of the waterfall budget to cover the cost. Then maybe this will be a wake up call to get runway 25 up to snuff before anyone gets hurt.
Having landed at that airport many times, and on that runway when wet, I have to fully agree with JJJ. As soon as that runway becomes even a little bit wet, its just like its contaminated with ice...its weird. No idea why it happens.
Runway 25-7 is the primary runway for YOW..It is the shortest and when 25 is the active, it has the worst approach ...Not counting the third world VOR/NDB crap. This is the Nation's capital airport.....brutal. 25-7 should be 10000 feet with CL lighting, TDZ lighting, and Cat II if required. Hello Ottawa, this is the 21st century.
maybe this runway gets slicker than sh#t through a goose because there is an awful lot of rubber put down by all the arrivals...It heats up, then rains and the rubber becomes slick...my 2 cents.
My opinion is based on experience and empirical data. I have landed on 25 with a skiff of water and the braking feel can be like on a slippery runway - lousy deceleration and anti-skid workin' like crazy. Also, on these same landings, after putting her on the 1000 footer on speed and profile - I have burned up to 1000' feet more real estate than what the Boeing numbers said we should have for the existing condition. BTW - the Boeing data we use is very precise.
Why such a lousy runway methinks?
Lousy drainage and too many bits of rubber deposits left on the runway.
I don't have any first-hand experience with the runway in question during wet conditions. But one of the guys I'm flying had a near miss with a runway excursion (and he didn't touch down long). He mentioned that the runway is not grooved and that 07 is downslope past the middle. Perhaps in light of recent events the airport authority might need to do some modifications.
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The tracks on the grass showed them angling off to the north once they went off the end, which is a good thing because if they hadn't they would have hit the LOC antenna.
FICU wrote:The tracks on the grass showed them angling off to the north once they went off the end, which is a good thing because if they hadn't they would have hit the LOC antenna.
If you read accident reports relating to overruns, it is common in the majority of those accidents for the captain to steer the aircraft around the lights and objects at the end of the runway. Most likely it is an instinct.
It is most probable that the captain intentionally turned the aircraft to avoid them.
