Jazz pilots contract?

[twinpratts]

Oh and here comes the HST. Thanks Stevie.

(Sorry for the slight derail on the HST)

Hahaha... Isn't it the Liberals who brought in the HST. (in both Ont and BC?)

[Localizer]

Hahaha... Isn't it the Liberals who brought in the HST. (in both Ont and BC?)

True .. but it was funded by the Federal government .. Starting with Paul Martin and the Liberals .. then picked up and continued by Steven Harper and the Conservatives. So they all have a dirty hand to play in HST.

[peppercan]

So what have the Jazz Pilots accomplished so far?

1) Piss off the hard working maintenance guys by making them chase fabricated snags.

2) Piss off the traveling public by delaying or canceling flights due to item 1.


Professional........I think not.Respect is dwindling by the day.If you go out the public will eat you alive.I will throw the first egg.


Ramp YYZ.

[Samson]

"Air Canada Jazz pilots and flight attendants have filed their 72-hour strike notice."

Wow, so both will strike at the same time. Might as well I guess. Good luck with the fight! But I hope they cave before 23:59 tomorrow.

[rudder]

"Air Canada Jazz pilots and flight attendants have filed their 72-hour strike notice."

Not true. So much for accuracy in journalism.

[genetic jack hammer]

So what have the Jazz Pilots accomplished so far?

1) Piss off the hard working maintenance guys by making them chase fabricated snags.

2) Piss off the traveling public by delaying or canceling flights due to item 1.


Professional........I think not.Respect is dwindling by the day.If you go out the public will eat you alive.I will throw the first egg.


Ramp YYZ.

Beautiful first post. And none of us have EVER had to wait for ramp crew in YYZ. Welcome to Avcanada.

[Bajan Pilot]

Apparently we have an Agreement in Principle...whatever that means.

[mbav8r]

peppercan,
Wasn't it YYZ ramp guys a had a wildcat strike a number of years ago because 4 of you guys were fired for stealing. Didn't you stop working until the thieves were returned to work and the manager fired. You want to talk about respect and professionalism, walk the walk, until then you can f#$k off! Oh sorry that wasn't very professional of me. Please FOXTROT OSCAR.

[Plim Sole]

It means it has to be written up into a legal document which will take a few days and then signed by both parties.

The fat lady has sung and negots are complete.

Just in time for the F/As to strike

Good job guys... I'm sure you have done a great job for us.

[moreccsplease]

- ALPA and Jazz have reached an agreement in principle.

- This agreement has to be transcribed into a Memorandum of Settlement

- This Memorandum of Settlement has to be signed and will then become our Tentative Agreement

- Until the Memorandum of Settlement is agreed to and signed there is no deal

- The Tentative Agreement would then go to the MEC for review and ratification

- A national roadshow would then begin to explain the Tentative Agreement to the Pilots and a vote will be held on whether to ratify the TA or not, the Pilots will have the final say

[truedude]

So, another year is what you're telling us?

[moreccsplease]

We've gone through nothing compared to what our negotiators have gone through.

[garretts]

So what have the Jazz Pilots accomplished so far?

1) Piss off the hard working maintenance guys by making them chase fabricated snags.

2) Piss off the traveling public by delaying or canceling flights due to item 1.


Professional........I think not.Respect is dwindling by the day.If you go out the public will eat you alive.I will throw the first egg.


Ramp YYZ.


Dear Peppercan
This reply could very well be moot as it appears we have an agreement however.

This is my first post here I don't make a habit of posting your inflammatory bullshit caught my eye and I wanted to tell you how I feel.
What makes you think I could give a shit about your respect? Or respect from the travelling public when it comes to getting a contract in place that reflects what my colleagues and I do for this company.
I've walked a picket line before for 59 days and heard all the rhetoric from bozoes like you, so I'll be brief. If you don't like us for having the balls for putting our livelihoods on the line. Tough.

You wanna throw an egg? Great. The irony is that I would never cross your picket line or "throw an egg" at you for exercising your right to withold your services from your company.

I can't imagine a unionized employee pulling that shit on another, but it shows your character.

I'll even sign my name.

Garrett Smith
YYC.

[Jean-Pierre]

15% to get back the "temporary" pay cut. Then 15% for inflation since then. Looking for a minimum 30% raise to be making the same as pre-2004 levels. Show me the money!!

[flyinhigh]

Sorry to say, but if you seriously think we'll get 30% you'll be very disappointed. We'll get back probably what we gave up and that is about it.

cheers

[rudder]

There are two types of pay. One is what you earn while working, the other is what you earn while retired. Both are important.

In respect of pay while working, it is what makes it into the bank account on payday that pays the bills. This includes net pay and all allowances that apply.

If folks are T4 obsessed then they are missing the big picture.

[yycflyguy]

There are two types of pay. One is what you earn while working, the other is what you earn while retired. Both are important.

In respect of pay while working, it is what makes it into the bank account on payday that pays the bills. This includes net pay and all allowances that apply.

If folks are T4 obsessed then they are missing the big picture.

Yes and no.

Money today is more valuable than the promise of a dollar tomorrow. Don't let the company pit what you earn today versus your DB. The reason we (ACPA) got no "raise" on the last agreement was because the aging membership was so concerned about the pension shortfall that they sold wage increases to compensate for an orchestrated pension shortfall. Management must have had a good laugh knowing that there was money available to negotiate but that the union bought into the jeopardized pension theory and peed their pants. Even our smart union financial types are saying that when the TSX raises 200 points the shortfall would have been completely eliminated.

If I could do it all over again, I would say get the extra money today and be responsible for your own retirement plan, a la Westjet.

[rudder]

There are two types of pay. One is what you earn while working, the other is what you earn while retired. Both are important.

In respect of pay while working, it is what makes it into the bank account on payday that pays the bills. This includes net pay and all allowances that apply.

If folks are T4 obsessed then they are missing the big picture.

Yes and no.

Money today is more valuable than the promise of a dollar tomorrow. Don't let the company pit what you earn today versus your DB. The reason we (ACPA) got no "raise" on the last agreement was because the aging membership was so concerned about the pension shortfall that they sold wage increases to compensate for an orchestrated pension shortfall. Management must have had a good laugh knowing that there was money available to negotiate but that the union bought into the jeopardized pension theory and peed their pants. Even our smart union financial types are saying that when the TSX raises 200 points the shortfall would have been completely eliminated.

If I could do it all over again, I would say get the extra money today and be responsible for your own retirement plan, a la Westjet.

I believe what you are referring to has more to do with managing the unfunded liability as opposed to plan enhancements. The Jazz plan requires serious upgrades.

[mattedfred]

+1

and is perhaps in fair financial shape compared to the ACPA plan

[Mover23]

+1

and is perhaps in fair financial shape compared to the ACPA plan

Probably becuase the CPA says AC must ensure the pension plan remains fully funded...

[yellow hammer]

So what have the Jazz Pilots accomplished so far?

1) Piss off the hard working maintenance guys by making them chase fabricated snags.

2) Piss off the traveling public by delaying or canceling flights due to item 1.


Professional........I think not.Respect is dwindling by the day.If you go out the public will eat you alive.I will throw the first egg.


Ramp YYZ.


Dear Peppercan
This reply could very well be moot as it appears we have an agreement however.

This is my first post here I don't make a habit of posting your inflammatory bullshit caught my eye and I wanted to tell you how I feel.
What makes you think I could give a shit about your respect? Or respect from the travelling public when it comes to getting a contract in place that reflects what my colleagues and I do for this company.
I've walked a picket line before for 59 days and heard all the rhetoric from bozoes like you, so I'll be brief. If you don't like us for having the balls for putting our livelihoods on the line. Tough.

You wanna throw an egg? Great. The irony is that I would never cross your picket line or "throw an egg" at you for exercising your right to withold your services from your company.

I can't imagine a unionized employee pulling that shit on another, but it shows your character.

I'll even sign my name.

Garrett Smith
YYC.

Some people just can't handle the truth or they do not want the truth exposed.Thank you Peppercan.I was a business passenger affected by such job action two days ago.I was given first hand info that the Captain would not depart because the a/c was too hot inside.I demanded more information because I was in the plane and quite cool.As it was explained to me they said that the auxiliary power was not working.We all wanted to go and were comfortable.They had a ground air conditioner substituting for the plane's failed system.You are probably wondering how I know about this site? My son is in flying school and told me about it.I hope he never gets the attitude I see here towards his employer and the public.

"What makes you think I could give a shit about your respect? Or respect from the travelling public"

True colours indeed Garret Smith whoevever the hell you are and I don't care to know.


I too will give my name

Sam J Hutchings
MBA

[Plim Sole]

Oh O!
Look out, he's got a MBA!

[dream_big]

Some people just can't handle the truth or they do not want the truth exposed.Thank you Peppercan.I was a business passenger affected by such job action two days ago.I was given first hand info that the Captain would not depart because the a/c was too hot inside.I demanded more information because I was in the plane and quite cool.As it was explained to me they said that the auxiliary power was not working.We all wanted to go and were comfortable.They had a ground air conditioner substituting for the plane's failed system.You are probably wondering how I know about this site? My son is in flying school and told me about it.I hope he never gets the attitude I see here towards his employer and the public.

"What makes you think I could give a shit about your respect? Or respect from the travelling public"

True colours indeed Garret Smith whoevever the hell you are and I don't care to know.


I too will give my name

Sam J Hutchings
MBA

Hmmm maybe did you ever think that maybe too hot means too hot in the cockpit!!! If there is no air going and sun shining just right, it's possible to get temperatures in excess of 40 degrees in minutes (even when it's a cool 18 degrees in the cabin)!!!!!!. That is not a suitable working condition, and if you want your pilots to do the job right and not rush then you should respect his decision!

[flyinhigh]

I was given first hand info that the Captain would not depart because the a/c was too hot inside.

You were cool, did you happen to talk to anybody else in the aircraft. Doubt it. The second we leave under such situations and something happens guess who is blamed, US, by folks like YOU for leaving with a sauna.

As it was explained to me they said that the auxiliary power was not working.We all wanted to go and were comfortable.They had a ground air conditioner substituting for the plane's failed system.You are probably wondering how I know about this site? My son is in flying school and told me about it.

Do you know what an APU is, do you realize that when the gnd Sustaining air is shut down that the temps climb in the cabin, extremely fast due to the APU not working to provide you and your precious suit air conditioning.

For a first post you really managed to make an ass of yourself, Once you know the true reasons as to what is going on, and why. PFO

[Obbie]

Mr Hutchings

Despite your feelings of entitlement as a business passenger,
I am afraid your opinion as to whether an aircraft should depart
is of zero concern to ANY Captain at ANY airline.

Did you stop to think how fast and how hot it would get in that
cabin after the plane had disconnected and pushed. What was
your expected taxi time, did you have any take off flow delays,
what was the flow situation at your destination.

Yes I know, you have no idea what the answer to these questions are.
But I can tell you that your crew did. And made their call accordingly.

And as for our fight to improve the brutal conditions that have been put
on our shoulders by pathetic management. You and especialy your son owe
us a thank you. It is our actions today that will ensure he has a career worth
showing up for tomorrow. Because I can asure you, there isn't one as it stands now.