Jazz pilots contract?

[Flywest]

Why would I go after the company? Its not their fault.I challenge the self proclaimed "PROFESSIONAL PILOT". Where does this designation come from anyways? I thought they just get a license like I have for my auto.
I am sure there is somebody ready and willing to educate me on that as well.
Look they are lining up now.

Interesting.....

I wonder what your Son thinks about your feelings on his future Profession.....and yes, it is a Profession.

I wonder if after you watch your son go through the years of training, exams, and check rides.....followed by many more years of crappy, often dangerous jobs, more training, and even more check rides that it will take him to gain the experience required just to apply for a First Officer position at Jazz, much less the years it will take him after that to qualify as a Captain, that you will have the humility and decency to come back here and retract your remarks.

BTW, we (All Airline Pilots) do two check rides a year, a medical, an annual line check, and several exams each year just to maintain our Professional Qualifications.

How many times a year do you get tested by the Government to see if your still qualified to be an MBA?

[flyinhigh]

This thread has seriously gone so bad that it really is funny now.

We got management on here now, mechanic's, and Business people here.

Bottom line is, for EVERYONE. shit hits the fan, it not the mechanics, not management, not CREW sked(as one mentioned). IT'S US in the front end, no matter what it's always us.

CAR's Staight, Captains Authority, PIC, or Commander. What ever way you look at it, we dont' look at the WHOLE picture, we look at ours because the fine folks in the back are looking at there picture and when they will arrive, so that is what we look at as well. We would be foolish to start to worry about so and so's book off, or oh the storm delayed johnnie's flight. We do that, we get distracted, something happens, than its ohh the captain shouldn't have gone.

Its never dispatch told them to go, so they went, so Dispatch is to blame. IT'S ALWAYS CAPTAINS FAULT so these decisions he makes are for many many many reason's that you don't know about.

[CanadianEh]

Can anyone share any details about the gains in the new TA? Or is it too early for that info?

Cheers

[truedude]

Road show does not start until Friday, we won't know anything until then.

[Troubleshot]

"Aircraft Commander" is a common term. Used every day in the Canadian Air Force to identify, what civilians call the "Captain."

Since in the Military, Captain is a "rank," not a "position."

The "Captain" of a Civilian Airliner, is the "Aircraft Commander."

Legally carrying the full authority of a "Peace Officer."

Funny how petty jealousies come leaking out over a title.
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Hahahahaha...you keep telling yourself that johnny!! Peace officer, full authority....hahaha this is gold!!

So I'll call you > Commander-Capt.-officer Johnny767....hahaha aaaahhh you made my night, thanks

You must strut you stuff at work like your shit doesn't stink, I'd love to meet you in person.

[Troubleshot]

no no..instead of Commander-Capt.-officer Johnny767....I will just call you 'THE SITUATION'.

[modi13]

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-be ... 64514.html
It's not how hot it is, it's how hot it's going to get without air conditioning when ground power is disconnected.

[teacher]

I can't speak for the CRJ but the dash cabin temp goes up REALLY fast without bleeds on during a summer day with a good load. It's almost instant and since we don't have an APU going and ground air is disconnected than doors closed than engine start we can get it going pretty fast and the air flow is usually pretty good after the bleeds are put on but in that short time the temp increase in the cabin is suprising.

[Mône]

Well on the RJ side it is pretty surprising as well. 26 degrees before engine start. Turn off air conditioning packs for engine start. And about a minute and a half later it's 30 degrees... if not more

[Bede]

“peace officer”
« agent de la paix »

“peace officer” includes
(a) a mayor, warden, reeve, sheriff, deputy sheriff, sheriff’s officer and justice of the peace,
(b) a member of the Correctional Service of Canada who is designated as a peace officer pursuant to Part I of the Corrections and Conditional Release Act, and a warden, deputy warden, instructor, keeper, jailer, guard and any other officer or permanent employee of a prison other than a penitentiary as defined in Part I of the Corrections and Conditional Release Act,
(c) a police officer, police constable, bailiff, constable, or other person employed for the preservation and maintenance of the public peace or for the service or execution of civil process,
(d) an officer within the meaning of the Customs Act, the Excise Act or the Excise Act, 2001, or a person having the powers of such an officer, when performing any duty in the administration of any of those Acts,
(d.1) an officer authorized under subsection 138(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act,
(e) a person designated as a fishery guardian under the Fisheries Act when performing any duties or functions under that Act and a person designated as a fishery officer under the Fisheries Act when performing any duties or functions under that Act or the Coastal Fisheries Protection Act,
(f) the pilot in command of an aircraft

(i) registered in Canada under regulations made under the Aeronautics Act, or

(ii) leased without crew and operated by a person who is qualified under regulations made under the Aeronautics Act to be registered as owner of an aircraft registered in Canada under those regulations,

while the aircraft is in flight, and
(g) officers and non-commissioned members of the Canadian Forces who are

(i) appointed for the purposes of section 156 of the National Defence Act, or

(ii) employed on duties that the Governor in Council, in regulations made under the National Defence Act for the purposes of this paragraph, has prescribed to be of such a kind as to necessitate that the officers and non-commissioned members performing them have the powers of peace officers;

[teacher]

[ei ei owe]

no no..instead of Commander-Capt.-officer Johnny767....I will just call you 'THE SITUATION'.

Care to comment on the situation after being shown up? Maybe keeping you quiet is for the best.

[Troubleshot]

You know it is just fine by me that you guys want all these titles, hey what ever floats your boat. I can fix cars, heavy equipment, ground equipment, boats, I can do house hold electrical, carpentry, etc...you name it I have fixed it in one form or another but I would never come here and boast on an aviation site claiming I am all of those trades.....why? cause it makes me look like I have a small wang and a ego problem.

So lets look at your findings COMMANDER--ok so PIC has part of that in there...but your failing to see the most important word in that acronym PILOT.. which is what you are, a pilot not a commander. An RJ isn't a nuclear sub or an aircraft carrier, but hey if you use commander to impress your friends or to pick up chicks....have at'er.

Now so lets look at your PEACE OFFICER finding....well done, in plain engish in the aeronautics act. I will ask you this though, who @#$! else is gonna be the peace officer at 30000 feet? They didn't pick pilots cause of their vast law up-holding skills now did they?....no, it's cause your already up there. So take that appointment for what it's worth.

I know a lot of great pilots, also made many friends over the years so this isn't a AME vs Pilot thing, I respect your profession, it is an ego thing and there are some serious ego's here....not all of you, but obviously some of you.

[Bede]

Now so lets look at your PEACE OFFICER finding....well done, in plain engish in the aeronautics act.

Actually thats from the Criminal Code of Canada.

I don't want to wade into this issue, but I think the point Johnny was trying to make is that the PIC title comes with a lot more responsibility than most people think. While most of us don't toot our own horn, we do get our backs against the wall when posters like vref try to denigrate our profession. If anything happens on our airplane when we're in command (sorry for using that word), it is the captain who gets to answer to management, lawyers, TC, TSB, etc. No one else in an airline (perhaps except for the CEO and an AME) would have to deal with similar scrutiny. Anyone who has ever been a PIC involved in an incident (even if it's of no fault of the PIC) will tell you a similar story. You can get grilled for hours why you did or did not do something. Hind sight is always 20/20 and lawyers don't do SMS.

[Troubleshot]

No Bebe, Johnny said he seen "petty jealousies come leaking out over a title". regarding the commander thing....really? jealous? come on...
I think pilots do a great job everyday, I just find it funny how you have to justify yourselves with words like commander and peace officer, or whatever; it is not nescessary, especially amongst your peers. Every professional in this industry knows the importance of each others position, so when I see a pilot calling him/herself a commander on an aviation forum I am gonna take a jab at you, cause it's down right silly.....and you know it.


Anyways....back to Jazz pilots contract.

[Localizer]

Troubleshot .. just stop .. you can't dig yourself out of a hole. Just quietly climb out and slither away ..

[Troubleshot]

Troubleshot .. just stop .. you can't dig yourself out of a hole. Just quietly climb out and slither away ..

You are implying I'm trying to dig my way out....that my friend would be incorrect. Truth hurts doesn't it?

[GTFA]

[/quote]Conclusion:

Not a shred of validity to the argument for that Captain not to deliver his passengers.
I know not of aircraft systems,pilot or mechanical skills or the labor laws involved.I do know how to call BS when BS is present and I have done that here.I wish the pilots all the success in this contract but don't take it out on us passengers to get to your management.We have more power than any group or company.Even an MBA without Pilot skills can figure that out! If we strike you are done.Put that on your check list and think about it before you fly the next time.[/quote]

Dear Mr. Hutching, and Yellowhammer,

Why does this have to be the pilots' fault? Though they are the obvious target for your purpose. What about the company's responsibility to provide an environment where the worker bees can lead rewarding and productive lives without the threat of treachery or declining benefits. The pieces of a machine can only be stressed so far for so long before failures begin to appear. Humans are the same. As a manager I expect you to understand this. The inconvenience you suffered could easily have been avoided if Jazz had been more open and forthright in their bargaining. The frustrations you harbour should be spewed at JAZZ to keep their house in order so they can provide the service that you, "the wallet" expect.

GTFA

[Johnny767]

Troubleshot:

You have waded into a topic, you have proven to have "zero" knowledge about.

Go read the "CAR's" (...which stands for Canadian Air Regulations,) if you would like to educate yourself on the Authority of the Pilot in Command.

"The truth hurts." then get educated and go read...the truth...as spelled out in the "CAR's."

I have the greatest respect for the AME's I've had the pleasure of working with.

[denkauto]

Yellow Hammer MBA, please understand that these are different times in aviation. We as pilots really need to cover our own asses these days. If the aircraft was too hot or the pilot was likely to believe it would have become too hot, then he did the corrrect thing. Understand that managers push push push until something goes wrong and then promplty wash there hands of it and say the Captain should have known better.

We are not looked after, we will have nobody on our side should our actions come under the microscope, so, we err on the side of caution, always. The flying public has no knowledge of just how much we push in order to get you to your destination. Aviation is so restrictive that there is usually a reason to technically delay any flight. Due to the hard work of the mechanics, pilots and FA's we almost always get you to your meeting.

[Troubleshot]

Troubleshot:

You have waded into a topic, you have proven to have "zero" knowledge about.

Go read the "CAR's" (...which stands for Canadian Air Regulations,) if you would like to educate yourself on the Authority of the Pilot in Command.

"The truth hurts." then get educated and go read...the truth...as spelled out in the "CAR's."

I have the greatest respect for the AME's I've had the pleasure of working with.

Johnny I am not saying these claims are not true...I am making fun of you for trying to come off as these high and mighty "commanders"...I have no issue with the PIC handle because that is a regular aviation term , what I do find amusing is you probably think of yourself as more of a "commander" than a pilot....thats all you are man, a pilot...just like I am just a mechanic...plain and simple. Doesn't mean you and I are lesser human beings cause we don't have fancy titles. My first post on the subject was a jab at RFN cause he called pilots "commanders"...then you proceeded to tell me that RFN is right and went on with gibberish about the military. How many times in a run of a week do you get called commander?


Then you call me jealous of your fictious title, how the hell do you get that big head into the flightdeck anyway?

[Johnny767]

In 35 plus years in the Airline, I have never heard anyone use the term "Commander." It was used in this string and you followed up with your little slag fest.

I simply tried to explain to you where the term originates. Obviously that explanation somehow escapes you?

[Localizer]

Troubleshot .. everyone has an ego in this industry .. even wrench monkey's such as yourself .. so get over it and move on. If it makes you feel better we'll refer to you as the commander of the hangar or MIC (monkey in command) .. I hope that makes you feel better in your quest to be equal with the sky god's.



Loc

[Martin Tamme]

How many times in a run of a week do you get called commander?

Actually, I hear it on every flight: The Service Director comes on the PA and welcomes the passengers on board the airplane on behalf of Captain so and so. He/She then repeats him/herself in French, introducing 'Commandant' si et si.

The billingual captains also introduce themselves as 'Commandant' when they make French PAs. 'Commandant' is the French word for 'commander'.

Go to Montreal and you will notice that everyone, including STOC, Maintenance, In-Flight and even passengers, will refer to you as 'commander' when speaking to you, even when they are speaking in English (mind you English with a French accent).

The French never ever use the word 'capitaine' in this context.

[dream_big]

Dear Troubleshot:

You are seriously wasting your time. The sooner you realize that pilots have egos bigger then they can carry the better off you are. I do agree that some of the egotistic views we have are justified, but at the same time there are tons of pilots with egos too big to fit through the cockpit door. We're not doctors boys! Now everyone stop with the commander junk and move on. If you want to be called "commander" then go to the military!!!!! End of story!

moving on....
how long till the jazz pilots vote on their contract?