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I have been asked to ferry a BE55 from Calgary-area to Minneapolis-StPaul. I have never flown to the US before and am curious to know what other people's experiences have been or if anyone has any 'insider' advice. Any good websites on the topic? I had a quick search but couldn't find anything too fantastic.

I should get my passport any day now (damn American policy) and other than that - I suppose I am ready to head off one of these days.

I am ferrying a BE55 that is VFR-only - hence no filing IFR but I will probably get flight following the whole way if the Wx is good enough - the Canada part obviously won't be a problem but have never flown into a big airport like MSP but do have experience in YQT on a busy day :shock: and YWG as well. I have 4000+ hours so I am not too too worried but I am not a big fan of venturing places in an airplane which harbour surprises... especially when that surprise may be a TFR or an F-16...

Tips or advice? Thanks
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I fly in the odd time and have never had a problem... plan your route... look at the US Customs web page where you will find information re: port of entry. Just carry your ID and be sure you've notified them a minimum of 2 hours prior to your arrival at customs (24 and then a follow up 2hrs before wouldn't hurt)

Simply use CanPass on your way back. The COPA web page has soe good information on travel to the states.
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Here's some info from a previous COPA newspaper:



In the good old days (actually just a few years ago), visiting the U.S. was as simple as calling my local FSS, getting the weather and NOTAMS, then filing a flight plan with the ADCUS box ticked off.

I would then fly to Watertown or Syracuse or maybe Massena and spend a few minutes with the usually pleasant U.S. Customs Inspector, who might not even show up.

If there was no one there, I would call Customs and usually receive a clearance by phone, then wend my merry way across the States. I would follow a nearly identical process to come home to Canada.

That was then and this is now. The times have of course changed.

Following 9/11, agencies have tightened up their procedures, some of which were previously hidden or at least poorly advertised. Some pilots discovered that there were $5000 fines for not following the confusing or obscure rules.

The most recent changes should help improve and simplify the procedures. I have investigated the latest procedures and would like to convey these findings to make your next crossing as easy as possible.

First of all, the separate U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) and U.S. Customs departments have been combined and are under one banner today, called U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP).

This has made travel easier, as the earlier little known requirement to advise two agencies has disappeared and been replaced by the requirement to advise the single agency CBP in advance of any private air travel.

Although the old machinery (ADCUS) for crossing the border is still officially in place for going into the U.S. (but not Canada), like a rusty old car it cannot be trusted.

Most of us are aware of the many changes in our country since 9/11. This is true to an even greater degree in the United States. The U.S. now has at least two programs that are used to sift through and provide screening for persons entering the U.S.

One of these programs is the National Security Entry Exit Registration Program (NSEERS dating from 1982), and the other is the newer US-VISIT program.

The NSEERS screening program is explained in this extract from a fact sheet on the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) website:

NSEERS was a pilot project focusing on a smaller segment of the non-immigrant alien population deemed to be of risk to national security. Inspectors at ports of entry have the discretion, based on national security criteria and intelligence reports, to refer an individual from any country to a more detailed secondary inspection.

Also, under NSEERS, males born on or before Nov. 15, 1986, and who are nationals of designated countries, were required to register at a local district immigration office. The process included an interview by an immigration inspector or adjudicator and the collection of fingerprints and a photograph.

When the US-VISIT system is fully implemented, it will provide the information necessary to account for nearly all temporary foreign visitors in the United States. Any remaining elements of NSEERS, such as port of entry arrival registration, will become part of the US-VISIT system.

Any NSEERS designated person should confirm with CBP before planning on arriving by private aircraft into the United States. NSEERS applies to every person, regardless of Canadian citizenship, and is based on country of origin, and other indicators.

For the time being, Canadian citizens that are not subject to NSEERS or other special screening are exempt from the biometric requirements the US-VISIT program imposes. Again, the following was taken from the US CBP US-VISIT Fact Sheet:

Secretary Ridge announced last April, the US-VISIT system will be capable of capturing and reading a biometric identifier at air and sea ports of entry before the end of 2005.

The system will be capable of scanning travel documents and taking fingerprints and pictures of foreign nationals, which then could be checked against databases to determine whether the individual should be detained or questioned concerning possible terrorist or criminal involvement… and the US-VISIT system will be implemented incrementally, but eventually will collect information on the arrival and departure of most foreign nationals such as: date; nationality; classification as an immigrant or non-immigrant; complete name; date of birth; citizenship; sex; passport number and country of issuance; country of residence; U.S. visa number, date and place of issuance (where applicable); alien registration number (where applicable); and complete address while in the United States. The information will be stored in databases maintained by DHS and the Department of State as part of an individual's travel record.

For non-Canadians, travel by private aircraft into the United States is no longer allowed unless you have a VISA. Canadian Landed Immigrants who used to travel into the United States via private aircraft under special waivers, are no longer allowed to travel this way. Please note the following from the US-VISIT fact sheet:

The Visa Waiver Permanent Program Act of 2000 directed the collection of records of arrival and departure for every alien who travels by sea or air and who is provided a waiver under the VWP. The Act required that these air and sea VWP records be incorporated into an automated entry exit system. As of October 1, 2002, passenger arrival and departure information on individuals entering and leaving the U.S. under the VWP has been electronically collected from airlines and cruise lines, through the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection’s (CBP) Advanced Passenger Information System (APIS), and no visa waiver may be granted to an alien if the carrier does not submit such data electronically.

SO WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN?

It means, a pilot planning to cross the border should determine the status of his/her passengers and themselves before deciding to travel to the U.S. Determine the exact status of your passengers first, are they Canadians, were they born here? Then the easiest way to check if you and they will be allowed entry is to call the CBP at the Port-of-Entry that is selected, and determine if the CBP are comfortable with the intended flight and passengers.

While making the call to CBP (2-48 hours ahead of the flight), you can advise them of your exact ETA, this makes the ADCUS notification unnecessary. Another point about ADCUS: It is the pilot’s responsibility to advise the CBP with sufficient notice (usually two hours), and if the ADCUS does not work, or is not passed with the required notice in advance, it is the Pilot’s responsibility, not the system’s.

This means, to be safe the PIC should call the Port of Entry CBP anyway – making the ADCUS redundant and confusing. ADCUS is best avoided.

Be aware, the CBP are now more strictly checking the Aircraft Documents and Pilot Documents, and will require valid Photo ID for Canadians and Passports for non-Canadians.

I would suggest you inspect these documents yourself before leaving with your passengers. Better to be safe than to be turned back (or worse).

Technically the aircraft Radio Station Licence is still required to cross the border, (FCC requirement), not because it is required in the U.S. or in Canada, but there remains an ICAO requirement. COPA reports that they are not aware of anyone being turned back for lack of radio station licence so far, but it could be used as an excuse to deny entry.

Also be aware that the U.S. Customs Decal program is still in effect and you should obtain one before you go. It is not absolutely necessary to obtain one before the first crossing each year because most CBP officers are willing to sell you one when you arrive.

However, they sometimes do not have them on hand, and it does lengthen the processing time. The cost is $25US. Purchasing a sticker online is easy:

https://tradelinks4.mellon.com/cbp/Dispatcher

The sticker arrives within a few weeks.

If you do not purchase a sticker before the trip, I suggest you call the port-of entry well ahead of time to determine if the Port officers can sell you a decal, and remind them again that you need a sticker when you call to give your ETA.

Fill out a CBP178 Private Air Travel Form before you go.

USE THE FOLLOWING CHECKLIST:

 Determine my own and passengers’ status against NSEERS and US-VISIT.

 Record the aircraft, pilot and passenger information on a CBP178 form.

 Check my aircraft Customs Decal.

 Pick a port-of-entry close to the border on my route of flight to my U.S. destination.

 Call Nav Canada for the weather and NOTAMS, complete my flight plan and decide on an ETA.

 Call the closest U.S. FSS for the other permanent NOTAMS and up to date list of TFRs (Temporary Flight Restrictions).

 Call and discuss the flight with the CBP, making sure the passengers are allowed to travel into the U.S. If everything looks good, I give my ETA and ask for the officer’s name and/or badge number.

 Make sure all the aircraft, pilot and passenger documents are on board.

 Complete my flight, making sure I am on time within 15 minutes. (If not on time or I have to divert, I return to Canada, phone the CBP and arrange another ETA).

 After landing, I wait for the CBP inspectors to arrive. If they don’t arrive and my ETA has passed, I deplane alone, leaving my passengers in the aircraft and call the CBP for instructions - again noting the officers name and/or badge number.

 After advising the CBP of my arrival, I return to the aircraft and wait until the inspectors arrive.

 To the inspector(s), I submit my CBP178 form, hand over all documents requested, and submit to a search if required to.

Usually within 10 minutes or less after that, I’m on my way.

REMEMBER THE FOLLOWING:

 Private air travel by Canadian Landed Immigrants without a U.S. Visa is not allowed.

 Private air travel by NSEERs designated persons must receive permission beforehand from the CBP Port of Entry. This may be denied.

 The CBP must be notified before travel (usually a minimum of two hours beforehand, check with the port) and the aircraft ETA must be accurate to (+/-) 15 minutes or face a possible $5000US fine.

For further reading or to confirm the facts of this article – I suggest the COPA/AOPA Border Crossing Manual available online in the members only section.

Last month I explained how the U.S. entry procedures are more strict now and how U.S. Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) entry programs such as NSEERS and the newer US-VISIT programs, have made a call to the CBP - before your trip - a necessity.

The trip back into Canada from the U.S. is now subject to some new concerns and new procedures as well.

First of all, the new rule issued by FAA FDC NOTAM 2/5319, requiring that the border crossing aircraft be under flight plan, be squawking a discrete transponder code and be in contact with the governing ATC unit, applies in both directions.

This means that an aircraft without a working transponder cannot either enter the U.S. or return to Canada without a transponder waiver. Waivers can be obtained by contacting the TSA.

Information online on all waivers, along with a link to a PDF file copy for printing a transponder waiver is found at:

http://web.nbaa.org/public/ops/security/waivers/.

The Canadian government department which manages the security of the Canadian border is the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA). The website:

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel/canpa ... avi-e.html

The CBSA is quite helpful and specifies the complete procedure which is required for private aircraft to cross the border back into Canada, along with offering a PDF brochure.

Restrictions on passengers, goods such as firearms, liquor, tobacco, currency and agricultural products are explained in the CBSA pamphlets entitled “I Declare” for Canadian residents, http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cp/rc4044/README.html, and “Customs Information for Visitors to Canada and Seasonal Residents” for United States residents at http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cp/rc4044/README.html

Remember that all the usual restrictions on these products when traveling by commercial airline or by road are in place for private aircraft travel. A short synopsis of the entry procedure is as follows:

The pilot is the person in charge of the aircraft. As the pilot, you have to:

 Place a telephone call to 1-888-226-7277 (1-888 CAN-PASS), at least 2 hours before but not more than 48 hours prior to your arrival in Canada;

 give your estimated time of arrival (ETA);

 give the aircraft tail number/aircraft registration mark; and

 give the passenger details, be ready to give Nationality and DOB when asked,

 declare including total value and type of purchases by each passenger. Be accurate as this declaration by you the pilot may be subject to penalty if found to be incorrect on landing. (The penalty will be issued against the person not the pilot, even though he makes a declaration on behalf of each person on board).

 arrive during regular customs office hours at a designated airport of entry (AOE). The list of AOEs is on the CBSA Web site at http://www.cbsa.gc.ca.

 Note: Call 1-888-226-7277 again to report any change in the ETA, point of arrival, or other information.

Following landing at the AOE, proceed to the agreed area on the field where you expect to meet the CBSA. Remain in the aircraft until the ETA (if early), then if no customs officers have arrived, you the pilot may deplane to call the CBSA, leaving the passengers in the aircraft.

Following the call, the CBSA may elect to clear you by phone, in which case you should copy the clearance number down for later proof of clearance should that be challenged. Following a telephone clearance, you and the passengers are free to proceed, but if told to remain in the aircraft you and the passengers must wait there for the arrival of the CBSA inspector(s) to inspect you and clear you.
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Post by zero »

Holy sh** Ralliart, long winded or what.

jjal: I flew into Minnesota almost everyday last summer and all we needed was a flight plan, APIS(automated passenger info service??...basically a passenger manifest and pertinent info on them) and then a visit with the customs officer on arrival. Hope this helps.

Will need a passport this year BTW.
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Hello
Ensure you get a squawk code and be in contact with ATC before and as you cross the actual border. Customs is usually quite straight forward, just stay in the aircraft until the officer greets you (ensure fuellers, etc stay away until Customs is finished.)
There's a form you can fax ahead of time to make the process smoother -
https://forms.customs.gov/customsrf/get ... 8-form.xft and to save time it's wise to purchase a user-fee decal for your aircraft ahead of time (only takes a few days for it to arrive) and you can do that online also. More information about decals here: http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/pleas ... _decal.xml (ignore the "pleasure boats" bit, they lump aircraft into the same category.) On that page there's also an info sheet (mostly to scare you away from bringing drugs into the country, but also some useful things) you can access in the "see also" area (Guide for Private Flyers).
All of the flying I've done in the US has been pleasant - when I'm VFR I get flight following (helps for those TFRs that sometimes pop up) and I've always had great service from ATC, they're quite helpful and efficient.
Haven't flown into MSP specifically in ages, I remember doing a cross country there when I was working on my CPL and being terrified of going near the Class B airspace - ended up being a piece of cake.
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Post by chipmunk »

Guess I took a long time to write my post and look up all those links - Ralliart covered a bunch of the same stuff... mine's less than half as long though! :lol:
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I cut and paste --- so the effort on my part was minimal.........haha suckers :wink:
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I go across the border a lot by car and airplane... if you let my fly a leg I will come with :D
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Coles notes version
1. Determine your entry point and ETA.
2. Call the cuatoms facility a day ahead of time.
3. The officer will ask for a fax of crew/pax/aircraft info.
4. Fax it to them on a 178 form.
5. Show up with paperwork and passports on time(or advise them ETA change)

Every point of entry has different procedures and paperwork so ask them what they want so you are prepared.
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Does it have to be MSP? St Paul (STP) has a great airport that is a little fiendlier to light VFR traffic.

IF it is MSP, try to arrive in non-peak times and plan on flying as fast as possible to the FAF.

The IFR units handle all kinds of "flight followers" so you won't have any problems. In fact, you probably won't even notice the difference!
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If you have the choice, I strongly recommend going into STP, St. Paul Downtown. Just a few miles out of MSP, you can get in under the Class Bravo veil.

The Millionaire FBO there is one of the best I've seen (the ladies could easily make the FBO Hotties list also 8) ), and if you are spending the night, ask for the crew rate at "The St. Paul" - great hotel, awesome rate. Last time i was there, crew rate was $89US, regularly $169Us.....and it is worth it!

PM if you have any other Q's.

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I'm bumping this old thread to hopefully get some input and advice on the current cross-border flying environment. I know there are a couple other, perhaps more current, threads floating around but I couldn't seem to find them in my search.

I completed my first VFR flight to the U.S. and back earlier this month. I departed CYTZ, cleared customs at KBUF and went on to KMSV (Monticello, NY). The return flight was KMSV to CYTZ. The actual flying in the U.S. was indeed very pleasurable (U.S. ATC was generally great), however the opening, activating and closing of flight plans and border requirements were enough of a headache to be a deterrent to making the trip again. In particular, some of the snags I ran into:

1. Arriving at KBUF +/-15min of ETA was difficult, since it is a relatively busy airport and I was vectored around the field by ATC as he tried to sequence me for landing. Even after overestimating my ETE time slightly (to give myself the biggest cushion), I parked the plane in front of customs without a minute to spare. That was kind of stressful, given the possibility of a $5000 fine that you always hear about. I've thought about trying to find a less busy port of entry, but it seems they are much further into the U.S., making things complicated if I needed to turn back for some reason.

2. You now have to close your Canadian flight plan upon landing at the Port of Entry and open a new U.S. flight plan for your further legs inside the U.S. I'm not sure if it was always like this(?) but that was also a pain in the arse, since it takes time to make all the calls. This inconvenience was greatly exacerbated by the fact that neither my cell phone (Fido iPhone) nor the courtesy phone inside the FBO at KBUF could complete a call to 1-866-WXBRIEF! After trying several times to close my flight plan from both these phones, I had to call Raytheon (1-800-WXBRIEF) and wade through their list of options to ultimately ask a briefer to contact London to close my Canadian flight plan. Obviously, this isn't standard procedure, and I felt like a dunce pleading him to do it. I guess I'd have been better off trying to contact London from the air before I landed to close the plan? Anyway, I was obviously pre-occupied with KBUF ATC and I assumed my cell phone would work. Not! Perhaps another option is get a satellite phone? Anybody have any experience with those?

3. You have to "activate" your U.S. flight plan from the air after departure, by calling FSS. Also a pain. By the time I set the COMM and contacted them, I'd already missed a hand-off.

4. Departing KMSV to come home, I decided to ask the Raytheon briefer to "auto open" my flight plan at the assumed ETA, so I wouldn't have to contact FSS from the air again. "OK, sure" he replied. When I reached CYTZ and called 1-866-WXBRIEF to close my plan, it had not been activated. Luckily, the briefer was helpful and said he'd call Raytheon and notify them accordingly of my safe arrival.

5. I had called CANPASS before departing the U.S. (more than 2 hours prior) and notified them of my ETA at CYTZ. There was no officer available when I called them upon my arrival. I had to wait in the plane (and hold in the inevitable post-landing urge to urinate!) for at least 20 min until they finally showed up. Not fun.

Anyway, if anybody has any tips for the above (besides buying diapers), please let me know. Like I said, it was my first time through the cross-border process, but I'd like to do it regularly, if I can make it less of a hassle.

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use fltplan.com to plan your trip. Its free and works great.
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flyinphil wrote: 4. Fax it to them on a 178 form.
No need to fill out 178 form - eAPIS replaced it. Yes, just after introducing eAPIS some CBP officers were still requesting it, but now (after number of clarifications from CBP) everyone knows 178 form neither required nor expected...
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I would still fill out form 178, and make the appropriate fax and phone call to the CBP agent. The idea of EAPIS was to replace the form, but I don't believe that's quite the case yet. I've had CBP officers request the 178 form and other paperwork, some have had no idea what EAPIS was?? There is no consistency in the system, so I would do all the stuff to cover your butt. I like to make sure I've spoken with a CBP agent before I depart and get their name and make sure things are kosher, some agents have different procedures and requests than others. Thats just been my experience.

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Unless you have an old copy of CBP 178 hanging around in PDF format - you won't find it online. I usually just print off a CBP 5076 (Aircraft General Declaration) and that is super kosher to the boys in blue.
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Lloyd Christmas wrote:I would still fill out form 178, and make the appropriate fax and phone call to the CBP agent.
Officially, you HAVE to call CBP (even with eAPIS), but do NOT have to fill out 178 form
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As a dispatcher - we'd fill out the e-APIS, call em and tell em we're coming - ask em what they wanted/needed - and if they requested the information on the form 178 - I'd just fax em a copy of the Gen Dec and the e-APIS confirmation page - those two docs usually give em everything they want
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For Flight Planning:
http://skyvector.com/
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I am familiar with FltPlan.com. It has some nice features for planning (i.e. automatically retrieving forecasted winds for leg ETE). However, it seems I cannot use it to actually file a U.S. flight plan, since it required a DUATS account. I am going to try the ForeFlight File function in ForeFlight's Mobile HD app for iPad next, as apparently you can file without the DUATS. If so, that should save at least a couple of phone calls.

My eAPIS filing was fine- no issues there. I did, however, still call KBUF CBP and let them know I was coming, which, as stated in a post above, I believe is the proper procedure.

I guess my two biggest headaches are-

- Given that my cell phone, when in the U.S., (and the KBUF FBO courtesy phone) cannot connect to 1-866-WXBRIEF, what is the best way for me to close my Canadian flight plan upon arriving in Buffalo? Should I just contact London Radio on 126.7 from the air and ask them to close my plan when I have KBUF in sight? Or is there another solution.

- Likewise, since asking Raytheon to "auto open flight plan at assumed departure" has proved unreliable, is my only option to call FSS from the air to activate my U.S. flight plan after departure?

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AOTS wrote:what is the best way for me to close my Canadian flight plan upon arriving in Buffalo? Should I just contact London Radio on 126.7 from the air and ask them to close my plan when I have KBUF in sight? Or is there another solution.
I have never flown into Buffalo, but as far as I know, contacting London RDO prior to your arrival into BUF will close your Canadian Flight Plan.

As for another solution, when I travel to KGFK from CYAV, my Canadian Flight Plan transfers with me when I cross the border (when I contact KMSP Center) and when I land in GFK, the tower controller always asks me if I want to close my inbound Flight Plan (which is Canadian). I would guess that BUF ATC would close your CND Flight Plan when you land in BUF but I'm not 100% posative-- but that is an alternate solution.
AOTS wrote:is my only option to call FSS from the air to activate my U.S. flight plan after departure?
YES!!! -- (as far as I know). If you CAN'T contact FSS on the ground with a phone, then the only other option is to contact them via radio after departure. When I travel from KGFK to CYWG, as soon as the tower controller clears me of the airspace, I contact GFK FSS and open my American Flight Plan. When I cross the border into Canada, I contact CYWG FSS and either ensure my US Flight Plan has transfered over to Canada or activate my Canadian Flight Plan.

Hopefully some of that helps.... 8)
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IBPilot wrote:
Hopefully some of that helps.... 8)
Yes, IBPilot, thank you. Those responses are helpful.
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Page A57 of the CFS is the Chapter on Flight Planning

It has a handy list of 1-866 numbers direct to each FIC good in both Canada and the continental USA plus the toll number if you'd like to pay.

The CFS page for each FIC also has the direct phone numbers.
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RatherBeFlying wrote: The CFS page for each FIC also has the direct phone numbers.
Indeed, it does! Thank you for pointing that out. Now, I really feel like a dunce for not looking there first.
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