Contrail

[Brown Bear]

As long as you ass kissing, jam tart operators allow a third party to dictate who you can, and cannot hire, this industry will remain in it's present toilet.

[Seriously?]

I can't get started on Contrails!!!!!

Its a joke, and a scam.

[aviator2010]

I've never dealt with any contrails flying. But didn't the big boom lower there requirements quite substantially?

did they raise them again?

[whiteguy]

I've never dealt with any contrails flying. But didn't the big boom lower there requirements quite substantially?

did they raise them again?

Nothing changed with Contrail during the big boom. What has changed is a lot of companies don't even use contrail. Most have have created their own hour requirements which are higher than Contrail.

Companies are forced to hire based on time in the log book rather than actual experience.

[ScudRunner]

Just wait till more companies switch to the OGP (Oil and Gas Producers) requirements which are even higher than contrails or Shell. If the customer wants their people flown around by noobs with 250 hours or 10,000 hours thats their call.

Go north get some PIC and stay far away from Alberta until you have said requirements.

[Brown Bear]

If the customer wants their people flown around by noobs with 250 hours or 10,000 hours thats their call.

Go north get some PIC and stay far away from Alberta until you have said requirements.

It's only "their call" because you allow it to be. I have no say as to the time the pilots on Air Canada have, to carry my sorry ass, and I'm their customer.

Get the PIC, and take it elsewhere.

[OceansEdge]

Actually - it IS their call.

It's their money they're spending on their charter.
They have every right to set the standard of service they're willing to pay for - owners can either meet that standard or not. But they have every right to ask for it.

It's really no different than the government of Manitoba having a strict policy against using single engine aircraft, or the internal operations audits Husky has done with their contract holders. I strongly suspect that after the Cougar Helicopters flight 91, and the Wells Inquiry you're going to see even more and tougher standards evolve. Already the question being asked by the unions and families is why didn't the company demand a better standard. Now whether or not I agree with that viewpoint - it is very much true that the oil industry is going to protect itself by demanding a standard - that may and often is - higher than TC's. And if the individual companies don't have the time cash or expertise to do their own auditing it makes sense for them to hire outside 'expertise' consultants to walk them through that process. Like it or lump it. Eat it or starve.

[whiteguy]

If the customer wants their people flown around by noobs with 250 hours or 10,000 hours thats their call.

Go north get some PIC and stay far away from Alberta until you have said requirements.

It's only "their call" because you allow it to be. I have no say as to the time the pilots on Air Canada have, to carry my sorry ass, and I'm their customer.

Get the PIC, and take it elsewhere.

You can't really compare flying on Air Canada to a company chartering an aircraft. I believe Jazz charters use pilots that are Contrail to, correct me if I'm wrong please.

[FlaplessDork]

The only people I find complaining about Contrails is those that don't meet it. Stop being a lazy ass with entitlement issues, and work your butt off somewhere else and get the time. I think the less competition for jobs in this industry will only help it.

[Lurch]

The only people I find complaining about Contrails is those that don't meet it. Stop being a lazy ass with entitlement issues, and work your butt off somewhere else and get the time. I think the less competition for jobs in this industry will only help it.

You haven't got your hours yet have you? Oh wait no I forgot you still need 500 MPIC.

Sorry I still owe you for your FB comment, and it's funnier on here

Lurch

[FlaplessDork]

You haven't got your hours yet have you? Oh wait no I forgot you still need 500 MPIC.

Sorry I still owe you for your FB comment, and it's funnier on here

Lurch

I am heeding my own advice and left the prov. to go get the time. Still excited for when Justin Bieber comes out of the closet?

[Lurch]

You haven't got your hours yet have you? Oh wait no I forgot you still need 500 MPIC.

Sorry I still owe you for your FB comment, and it's funnier on here

Lurch

I am heeding my own advice and left the prov. to go get the time. Still excited for when Justin Bieber comes out of the closet?

LOL, why are you

You sure it's not because you have a man crush on him?

Lurch

[Fresh Prince of King Air]

Most International Upstream Companies are members of the International Association of Oil and Gas Producers (OGP)

http://www.ogp.org.uk/

The most recent companies that have operations in Alberta (Oil Sands and Surrounding including NE BC) that have adopted OGP's recommended practices for contract air operators are Devon and BP. BP is just finishing up some audit and carrier inspections and imagine they will switch to an approved carrier soon. I don't think there are many that are approved but I know that NCA seems to have the bulk of the below Alberta OGP companies.

Someone who works for Cariboo would be better suited to answer that question.

The ones to watch are Nexen (Contrail) and Talisman (whom haven't produced any standards to date) and Suncor (Which I would find hard to believe will conform to OGP, but you never know if it gets pushed down from the top)

As you will see by the attachment the OGP standards are quite a bit more than just pilot hour requirements. I think the companies who are farthest along with their SMS programs will be the preferred carriers.

As much as OGP's guidelines suck, I am hoping that they will put Mr. Englebert Van Humperdinck out of business. He doesn't seem to be a rational person and his standards don't seem to pertain to any sort of logical proven methods to improve safety. I would like to see more credit for performance based training programs.

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