T.C shuts part of Skyward down

bandaid · Post by **bandaid** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:51 am

Personally, I think this is a very sad day for your industry.
-One less company willing to give the up and coming pilots their first job.
-One less company serving the isolated people of the north.
To mister mofo, watch what you say son, this is a very small industry and your not as protected as you think behind your IP address.
My son flew for Skyward and I know that he would not take up an aircraft that he deamed unsafe, if the airplane didn't get him his mother would.
I know a number of those that have flown or were flying for Skyward. For those that were there, thanks for your support of kids like my son. For you young men who were there at the end I'm sorry that this has happened to you and sorrier for the ridicule that has come from men like mofo. I only hope that you are in a position one day to make his life difficult. Some of the shameful lack of support that some show for their fellow pilots is at the very least disheartening.
Good luck to you all.
For the Einteins that chose to call down the AME's and pilots I offer this,

737captain · Post by **737captain** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:11 pm

I find it hard to believe that any company deserves what Skyward got. If TC is trying to send a message......it won't be heard. Bad operators will still operate badly period....nothing will change that. If they wanted to send a message then they should slap everyone on the wrist and shut em all down for a week but ruining one company won't solve anything.
I know a bit about Skyward and they had their share of little problems but....wtf. On the bright side someone will pick up the business, at this point it looks like Perimeter and there will be some new jobs created. It also wouldn't be a big surprise if Skyward started back up someday under a new name, new company. Time will tell, good luck.

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:20 pm

For those of you who think the only reason Skyward is gone is because of TC, have a look at their financial results. $16 in debt, bleeding money like crazy for the last year. $30M in revenue last year and still couldn't make a profit. For comparison, Perimeter's revenue was roughly the same and they made lots.

The OC suspension may have been the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back" but they were in serious financial trouble a long time ago.

bandaid · Post by **bandaid** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:30 pm

I have one more thought to put out there. It surprizes me that other than the Transport people being involved that more levels of beauracrats are not. I know that in the towns that I have lived in over the years, one had a pulp and paper industry closure, another a plywood mill, and fairly recently in Kelowna, White Trucks. Each time thier were politicians from all walks tripping over each other and the media to come to the bottom of events leading up to the closure of a major employer. Not that it ever helped, but they were there by the gross. So I have to ask, where are the politicians in Norther Manitoba? Seems they are laying on the carpet licking themselves, collecting their stipend, and not giving a flying f$#% at a rolling donut what is happening.
Maybe you just have to be there.

Northern Flyer · Post by **Northern Flyer** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:57 pm

Good luck to all those out of work, I hope you all find work.

170 to xray · Post by **170 to xray** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:20 pm

WOW! I left Skyward about six years ago and can't beleive it is done. I can honestly say that while I was there no one, not even FB ever once asked me to do anything unsafe or illegal. Things must have changed drastically! I wish you all the best of luck.

salsa dancer · Post by **salsa dancer** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:55 pm

Just happen to hear about this via the media--Skyward started to slide a couple of years ago--they should have taken a good look at things/employees--FB changed around that time--he seemed to start listening less to the "hands on people and hearing his "upper management" only--I truly feel sorry for the people left in the cold because of this mess--and especially those who know some of the things
that changed over the last couple of years. It sure seems odd that perimeter could pick up the slack so easy or was this always the original plan of Skyward--who knows
Anyway good luck to the res girls, cust ser, cargo, payroll,the pilots--- these people always treated everyone with the respect each and everyone deserves that went by the terminal or the downtown offices

Sad Day · Post by **Sad Day** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:10 pm

Disco you won and skyward is done and the Perimeter is expanding like crazy. Please stop the bullshit we all are sick of your bone head comments. Why do you still have to be talking sh##. 300 people are out of work and some have families to support. I have sat and here read your comments over the last two months and I can't take your sh@# anymore. What the F%^& do you know about Skywards Finances? Your head is so far up Captain S&J ass you don't even know what way is up anymore. The one question I would really like to know is if you are making sooooo much $$$$$$$$$ why are you on avcanada all the time? The only excuse I have is that I started out at skyward and I wouldn't be where I am today if it wasn’t for that company. I am out in Calgary and this is the easiest way of keeping track of what is going there. For all of you young dudes out there don't become obsessed with flying and the industry. If you do you will end up like Disco alone in front of a computer talking bull#### about flying and the industry. There are other things outside of flying/work.

Disco and Captain S&J I hope you come to cow town because I know who you are and would love to have a conversation about Skyward. I worked there for 6 years and didn’t see or hear about the garbage you two refer to, so maybe you could enlighten me.

For all the skyward people put there good luck and my thoughts are with all of you. Good luck on the job hunt, you all are great people and will be a huge asset to the companies you end up at.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:33 pm

Well I Can post and not have to explain why I have so much time on my hands, with that in mind I must once again say this is one of the most puzzling shutdowns of a relatively large airplane operator that I have seen during my time in this business.

Something is really strange in Manitoba judging from the mess aviation seems to have evolved to in the past few years there.

I wonder exactly what politics are driving this behind the scenes, but even more troubling for me personally is the seeming lack of compassion shown by some here and the blatent promotion of some companies over others when the playing field seems to be so uneven due to issues we do not yet fully understand.

But politics aside we as a group are not doing our chosen profession any good by putting personal gains ahead of the distress and dissapointment that must be keeping many of our colleauges who are now unemployed awake at night wondering how they will support their famlies.

So before you make disparaging remarks against your less fortunate colleauges.........

....Remember ......tomorrow it may be you in that position for something you could not change.

Rant over.

Cat

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:09 pm

Sad Day wrote:Disco you won and skyward is done and the Perimeter is expanding like crazy. Please stop the bullshit we all are sick of your bone head comments. Why do you still have to be talking sh##. 300 people are out of work and some have families to support. I have sat and here read your comments over the last two months and I can't take your sh@# anymore. What the F%^& do you know about Skywards Finances? Your head is so far up Captain S&J ass you don't even know what way is up anymore. The one question I would really like to know is if you are making sooooo much $$$$$$$$$ why are you on avcanada all the time? The only excuse I have is that I started out at skyward and I wouldn't be where I am today if it wasn’t for that company. I am out in Calgary and this is the easiest way of keeping track of what is going there. For all of you young dudes out there don't become obsessed with flying and the industry. If you do you will end up like Disco alone in front of a computer talking bull#### about flying and the industry. There are other things outside of flying/work.

Disco and Captain S&J I hope you come to cow town because I know who you are and would love to have a conversation about Skyward. I worked there for 6 years and didn’t see or hear about the garbage you two refer to, so maybe you could enlighten me.

For all the skyward people put there good luck and my thoughts are with all of you. Good luck on the job hunt, you all are great people and will be a huge asset to the companies you end up at.

Holy, forget to take the Zanax today?

Go back and read my posts. You are the only one who has disagreed with any of what I have posted. Get on a plane, fly out here, and read Skyward's financial statements so you can see for yourself. They are public record now with the CCAA filing. Or do you think that their financial problems happened over night? I don't know all that is going on/went on there. Nor do I pretend to. But I do know that they were bleeding money, it didn't happen after the OC was pulled (although that made it worse) and I do know that they got caught doing things they shouldn't have, which is why they got shut down.

I haven't talked anything about how much money I make. I have posted how much pilots at Perimeter have the potential to make. As far as me being on AvCanada all the time, maybe that is because at Perimeter I actually get more than 6 days a month off, and I get to be home everynight. Not sure how you can make the association with that and how much money I do or do not make.

Perimeter plans on hiring lots of Skyward people. As I have said before, I know people there and wouldn't wish this kind of thing on anyone. I couldn't imagine being in the shoes of the unemployed.

Perimeter will be looking to hire the best and brightest of the Skyward bunch.

Sad Day, don't bother applying.

Everyone else, good luck, and I look forward to working with you. To be able to build a company to the size that Skyward was, and to generate the revenue they did, takes talented and dedicated people. It's too bad they were the ones who got hosed in the end.

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:12 pm

Sad Day,

Maybe you should review this thread:

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=5515

A lot more people than just me posting on Skyward's maintenance and financial issues.

Take a few breaths before you make your second post. Or go see the doc about upping your dosage.

A330 · Post by **A330** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:58 pm

Disco,

You're a sad little troll bragging about some hack company that is a mere stepping stone in aviation. Be thankful you have a job and grow up.

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:39 pm

Nothing like kicking someone when they are already down?! .. Dumbass have a heart, and a brain! .. quit it .. its over let it rest ..

Good Luck to all at SGK ..

Metro2rn · Post by **Metro2rn** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:39 pm

Disco Stu wrote:
Sad Day wrote:Disco you won and skyward is done and the Perimeter is expanding like crazy. Please stop the bullshit we all are sick of your bone head comments. Why do you still have to be talking sh##. 300 people are out of work and some have families to support. I have sat and here read your comments over the last two months and I can't take your sh@# anymore. What the F%^& do you know about Skywards Finances? Your head is so far up Captain S&J ass you don't even know what way is up anymore. The one question I would really like to know is if you are making sooooo much $$$$$$$$$ why are you on avcanada all the time? The only excuse I have is that I started out at skyward and I wouldn't be where I am today if it wasn’t for that company. I am out in Calgary and this is the easiest way of keeping track of what is going there. For all of you young dudes out there don't become obsessed with flying and the industry. If you do you will end up like Disco alone in front of a computer talking bull#### about flying and the industry. There are other things outside of flying/work.

Disco and Captain S&J I hope you come to cow town because I know who you are and would love to have a conversation about Skyward. I worked there for 6 years and didn’t see or hear about the garbage you two refer to, so maybe you could enlighten me.

For all the skyward people put there good luck and my thoughts are with all of you. Good luck on the job hunt, you all are great people and will be a huge asset to the companies you end up at.
Holy, forget to take the Zanax today?

Go back and read my posts. You are the only one who has disagreed with any of what I have posted. Get on a plane, fly out here, and read Skyward's financial statements so you can see for yourself. They are public record now with the CCAA filing. Or do you think that their financial problems happened over night? I don't know all that is going on/went on there. Nor do I pretend to. But I do know that they were bleeding money, it didn't happen after the OC was pulled (although that made it worse) and I do know that they got caught doing things they shouldn't have, which is why they got shut down.

I haven't talked anything about how much money I make. I have posted how much pilots at Perimeter have the potential to make. As far as me being on AvCanada all the time, maybe that is because at Perimeter I actually get more than 6 days a month off, and I get to be home everynight. Not sure how you can make the association with that and how much money I do or do not make.

Perimeter plans on hiring lots of Skyward people. As I have said before, I know people there and wouldn't wish this kind of thing on anyone. I couldn't imagine being in the shoes of the unemployed.

Perimeter will be looking to hire the best and brightest of the Skyward bunch.

Sad Day, don't bother applying.

Everyone else, good luck, and I look forward to working with you. To be able to build a company to the size that Skyward was, and to generate the revenue they did, takes talented and dedicated people. It's too bad they were the ones who got hosed in the end.

Disco, its spelled Xanax.....

Glen Quagmire · Post by **Glen Quagmire** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:51 pm

Not sure what "hack" company means but if it refers to Perimeter making literally millions in profit then you are quite correct in calling them hacks. You cannot argue the fact that the green machine runs a good show with what appears to be solid management.

That aside things in this industry can change in an instant, things haven't always been so auspicious at Perimeter.

People are understandably frustrated with what happened and that seems to be coming through in recent posts. Hearing how good a company is when you're operation has just folded is certainly tough to hear. The equivalent of telling you're recently divorced friend how perfect you're marriage is going. So perhaps the Perimeter boys should take the prideful posts down a notch and the Skyward employees/supporters can avoid posting piqued attacks.

northmansx · Post by **northmansx** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:04 pm

//entire posted edited by Sulako

northmansx -
While we appreciate your posting here, it's not nice to threaten to give other members a beat-down, even if their opinions are very different from your own. Argue - sure. Threaten - not cool. Consider that strikes one and two, and play nice.

rightseatwonder · Post by **rightseatwonder** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:40 pm

wow!

the mods let that get in!!

ice ice baby · Post by **ice ice baby** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:57 pm

Hey ladies is it that time of the month again?

No more BS · Post by **No more BS** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:18 am

All Skyward needs is Michel Leblanc and they're in business again!...

cratedriver · Post by **cratedriver** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:43 am

Looks like Perimeter has bought up some of Skywards assets.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/arch ... c0585.html

It also makes mention that some Skyward employees will be offered positions with Perimeter...

northmansx · Post by **northmansx** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:56 am

okee dokee, sorry guys just got a little carried away.

you got to admit i had a few good points though, maybe next time i will say it with a little more class, lesson learned.

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:13 am

A330 wrote:Disco,

You're a sad little troll bragging about some hack company that is a mere stepping stone in aviation. Be thankful you have a job and grow up.

A troll I am not. Maybe you too need to go reread the post I made in response to Sad Day.

No bragging, no gloating, no glee at the demise of another company.

Go reread it.

And for Localizer,

If Sad Day wants to come on here and attack me, just because he has recently lost his job isn't going to stop me from defending myself.

But not once have I kicked Skyward while they are down.

You need to reread that post as well.

highlander · Post by **highlander** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:06 pm

Some of us tried really hard to fight this battle. We want to thank all of the people who supported us through this difficult time. We have all read the posts. Some have asked why there weren't too many employees making posts on this forum and I guess it was because we had our dignity and we were proud of who we were. We never said we were perfect, but everyday we came to work and we tried our best. We really loved working here. Sure there were bad days but everywhere is like that. We didn't lose an airline we lost a family. We will come out of this stronger. Maybe not as Skyward, but our strengths and talents will hopefully be put to good use elsewhere.

Thanks for the support

spoiler · Post by **spoiler** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:08 pm

I am so sorry this is the final outcome for all involved.
Best of luck with the job search.
I am sure things will work out in the end.

jimmyjazz · Post by **jimmyjazz** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:27 pm

A decent guy to the end