No more 24 month PPC 703

[bezerker]

As of June 15th, 2010 the exemption from doing PPC's every 12 months has expired (24 month PPC's) for those operating under 703.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... n/1954.htm

I don't think this is common knowledge yet so I thought I would spread the word.

[Edo]

The exemption to 704.111 does not have an expiry date. http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... n/1832.htm

So 703 will be held to a higher standard?

[timexd]

I have been told by Transport to expect the 704 exemption to be cancelled soon as well. More work for us ACP's.

[The Old Fogducker]

Good ... my rates are going up soon.

Edit .... Its not at all unusual for the provision to expire, but an extension was signed a few weeks ago, but not fully distributed yet.

Interesting to see what happens .... as I know there is an undercurrent of disatisfaction with the way that ACPs are or aren't doing their jobs of monitoring the Training Programs of 703 operations, and treating each ride in isolation rather than looking for trends, giving feedback to Training Pilots and Company Ops Mgrs ... but then, as long as the kid comes away with a signature on a card, everythng is just great with the world isn' it?

The Old (call me Mister Flunkem) Fogducker

[bamboo]

CBAAC 176R2 doesnt have an expiry date. Applies to both 703 and 704.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... r-1721.htm

[bezerker]

The CBAAC mentioned refers you to the exemption in the CARs. The exemption has expired. Here is the latest copy of the exemption.


http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... n/1954.htm

[Sulako]

I just did a checkride on a 703 guy the other day. It was a monitor ride and the TC guy who rode along also said that the 703 exemption has expired, and that it will not be renewed. He said that there was evidence that the 2-year PPC cycle was negatively affecting safety in 703 world, hence the expiry of the exemption.

[bobcaygeon]

TC doesn't make a lot of decisions I agree with but this is one. Training in Lieu of at a lot of places is too often "lets go for lunch an hour away, then fly back"

[ei ei owe]

But, I like flying somewhere to have lunch!

[ditar]

But, I like flying somewhere to have lunch!

Then medevac is the job for you!

[OceansEdge]

But, I like flying somewhere to have lunch!

Then medevac is the job for you!

So long as you don't mind your lunch at 3am...

[ei ei owe]

No no. I said go somewhere for lunch (ie. a nice little fly in joint, grass strip, cheap gas, TILO done for 12 mos etc). This was not to be confused with having food at some random time while going somewhere I wouldn't want to go on my own time!!

[bravowhiskey]

Brought this to my boss the other day he checked into it and transport informed him that 703 ppc's are still 24 months. The excemption was brought in to cover as a buffer until 24 month ppc's were made law.

703.91 (1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), the validity period of a pilot proficiency check, a competency check and the annual training referred to in Section 703.98 expires on the first day of the thirteenth month following the month in which the pilot proficiency check, competency check or training was completed.

(2) Where a pilot proficiency check, a competency check or annual training is renewed within the last 90 days of its validity period, its validity period is extended by 12 months.

(3) The Minister may extend the validity period of a pilot proficiency check, a competency check or annual training by up to 60 days where the Minister is of the opinion that aviation safety is not likely to be affected.

(4) Where the validity period of a pilot proficiency check, a competency check or annual training has been expired for 24 months or more, the person shall requalify by meeting the training requirements specified in the Commercial Air Service Standards.

[modi13]

This:

Brought this to my boss the other day he checked into it and transport informed him that 703 ppc's are still 24 months. The excemption was brought in to cover as a buffer until 24 month ppc's were made law.

and this:

(2) Where a pilot proficiency check, a competency check or annual training is renewed within the last 90 days of its validity period, its validity period is extended by 12 months.

are entirely unrelated. 703.91 (2) means that if you renew your PPC prior to 90 days of it expiring, it will be valid until 12 months after it would have expired had you not renewed. It's just like renewing your instrument rating: if you renew within 90 days prior to it expiring, the date of validity remains the same, so that you're not punished for renewing early. It does NOT mean that it's good for 24 months.

[JetPilot123]

Modi13, you are correct. I was going to post the same thing. Doesnt mean that it is good for 24 months, just that you can do the training 90 days in advance but keep the same date of expiry.

[bravowhiskey]

(2) Where a pilot proficiency check, a competency check or annual training is renewed within the last 90 days of its validity period, its validity period is extended by 12 months.

I realize you can keep the same expiry date by completing a PPC within 90 days. But reading this I also understand that if you complete annual training 90 days prior to the first of the 13th month it also extends the ppc by 12 months.

[Xander]

This is the new exemption, valid from june 16, 2010:

http://www.h-a-c.ca/MAP0001.pdf

The 24 month PPC's are still a reality.

[turbo-prop]

All that is saying is if you have renewed your PPC before June 15, 2010 on are able to finish off the 24 month PPC. As an ACP TC just sent me a piece of paper saying no more 24 month PPC's and if any 24 month PPC's, and any that were handed out after that date, you have to go back to the company and change the PPC expiry date to 12 month PPC.

[snoopy]

If that is a Staff Instruction from Transport can you post it for all to see?

Thanks!

Kirsten B.

[CD]

As turbo-prop notes, the information that this exemption is only to permit the transition back to compliance with the Regulation is stated in the purpose section:

PURPOSE

The purpose of this exemption is to provide a transition period during which air operators engaged in operations regulated under Subpart 703 of the Canadian Aviation Regulations will be able to structure their pilot training and checking programmes to revert back to the annual requirements specified in Subpart 703 of the regulations.

This transitional exemption permits "training in lieu" of a PPC to continue until 15 June 2011 or the date on which the validity period of a PPC expires whichever date comes first in a manner similar to that provided in the exemption to CAR 703.91(1) dated 04 December 2008. Upon the expiry of this exemption, all air operators subject to Subpart 703 will be required to meet the annual PPC requirements as specified in the Canadian Aviation Regulations.