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+1flyinhigh wrote:Shows how screwed up our company is, we get a new contract and now they want to work us with more overtime.
MMMM, good thing I have never done and don't intend to do any WDO's any time soon.
Sage advise applicable to all situations, let alone to Jazz or any airline operation for that matter. Take it from this old fool!!!Jean-Pierre wrote:Good for you guys. You get it. Working more for more money is NOT a raise. Enjoy living your life with your freetime. No one ever lays on a deathbed wishing they had put in more time at the office. Spend time with family and loved ones. Get out see the world. It refreshing to see people who are not drones.
JP. I have spent all the time I could with my family and can tell you that at least I am the better for it. My wife stayed at home for the whole time our children were growing up. Now I have to pay for it. Working more means making more money. The money I make goes towards the improvement of opportunities for my children and that is of great satisfaction to me. My wife has taken another job to help pay for so many expenses in supporting our family beyond high school. The more money I make the less she has to work. I am fortunate to be paid to do something I love and the more of it I do the happier I am about it. Partly because it pays well and partly from the satisfaction I get from doing it well. My employer's success is mine as well and I take pride in our reputation as a world leader in training and operational integrity. That is not to say that I don't have many frustrations with them. When I go to work I am not going to "the office" I am entering a dynamic world of travel and adventure and am challenged to provide a safe and efficient environment for the travelling public in often difficult conditions. (WDOs? When I go to work for 150% of the normal rate I believe I am getting paid what the job is really worth. Being able to do WDOs is a mutually beneficial arrangement which is why it is in the contract.)Jean-Pierre wrote:Good for you guys. You get it. Working more for more money is NOT a raise. Enjoy living your life with your freetime. No one ever lays on a deathbed wishing they had put in more time at the office. Spend time with family and loved ones. Get out see the world. It refreshing to see people who are not drones.
Very well written.GTFA wrote: JP. I have spent all the time I could with my family and can tell you that at least I am the better for it. My wife stayed at home for the whole time our children were growing up. Now I have to pay for it. Working more means making more money. The money I make goes towards the improvement of opportunities for my children and that is of great satisfaction to me. My wife has taken another job to help pay for so many expenses in supporting our family beyond high school. The more money I make the less she has to work. I am fortunate to be paid to do something I love and the more of it I do the happier I am about it. Partly because it pays well and partly from the satisfaction I get from doing it well. My employer's success is mine as well and I take pride in our reputation as a world leader in training and operational integrity. That is not to say that I don't have many frustrations with them. When I go to work I am not going to "the office" I am entering a dynamic world of travel and adventure and am challenged to provide a safe and efficient environment for the travelling public in often difficult conditions. (WDOs? When I go to work for 150% of the normal rate I believe I am getting paid what the job is really worth. Being able to do WDOs is a mutually beneficial arrangement which is why it is in the contract.)
I may well lay on my deathbed wishing I had been able to do a few more flights. I may wish that I had more chances to be a positive influence on my peers, that others may enjoy the benefits of this profession as I have... I will at least be proud of the flying, that I did. I am a good father, a good husband and a good friend. I will die content. Of this I am certain.
I am NOT a drone and always strive to improve my wages and working conditions when the opportunity arises. I am a proud member of ALPA and support our efforts to "Take it back".
In 30 years of professional flying I have observed that there are many reasons why people have chosen this career path. Some have not chosen wisely and lash out in frustration. Some are frustrated by their impatience to realize their expectations, and some peoples' expectations are not grounded in reality.
Enjoy your time off. Seek happiness in all that you do. I pray for you: Patience, strength and wisdom.
GTFA
GTFA wrote:When I go to work for 150% of the normal rate I believe I am getting paid what the job is really worth. Being able to do WDOs is a mutually beneficial arrangement which is why it is in the contract.
I don't think it's going to be a problem finding people ready to jump. Especially if those are the only days they are getting paid what the job is really worth.
That's always what a seniority based union system wants...Less people under them and less money coming in union dues. This makes a lot of sense. I really had no firm theory, that one about WDO's was just a small one I had, but yeah this probably clears that up. Thanks for posting.TAWS wrote:I'll make it as simple as i can...."there is no WDO conspiracy to keep us from hiring"
The 3rd WDO was simply given to the company so we could get other things in our contract. This is a lifestyle company, and although there will always be a contingent of pilots who work overtime via the WDO list, there is a huge contingent of pilots who have been on the "no WDO list". Personally I have not done a WDO in the last 4 years.
The real reason ground schools are postponed is as follows...
Our equipment bid traditionally came out twice a year in our old contract. One of those months it came out in was June.
Our equipment bid gives our pilots the opportunity to change aircraft, seats or bases.
In our new contract, ALPA negotiated for our bid to come out in August. The reason for this is our winter flying schedule that we receive from Air Canada comes in August. So the problem we had in the past was we were projecting the routes, pilot numbers at bases, potential upgrades etc. before actually knowing from Air Canada what they wanted from us during the next six months.
With our bid now in August, we will be able to be more accurate in our equipment bid, minimizing downgrades and involuntary moves.
How our hiring traditionally works is that you are hired after our equipment bid is done and assigned, and then if anything is left over, that is now what is available for future ground schools.
The company had to conduct its interviews and plan ground schools based on the old collective agreement. (the pilot bid would be done in June).
So now there is a delay on ground schools until our August bid is over so we can determine how many pilots we need, at what bases, and on what aircraft.
Or.....
Maybe ALPA thought when we were negotiating with the company that if we worked a another WDO a month we would never hire again.
Believe what you want...
TAWS wrote:I'll make it as simple as i can...."there is no WDO conspiracy to keep us from hiring"
The 3rd WDO was simply given to the company so we could get other things in our contract. This is a lifestyle company, and although there will always be a contingent of pilots who work overtime via the WDO list, there is a huge contingent of pilots who have been on the "no WDO list". Personally I have not done a WDO in the last 4 years.
The real reason ground schools are postponed is as follows...
Our equipment bid traditionally came out twice a year in our old contract. One of those months it came out in was June.
Our equipment bid gives our pilots the opportunity to change aircraft, seats or bases.
In our new contract, ALPA negotiated for our bid to come out in August. The reason for this is our winter flying schedule that we receive from Air Canada comes in August. So the problem we had in the past was we were projecting the routes, pilot numbers at bases, potential upgrades etc. before actually knowing from Air Canada what they wanted from us during the next six months.
With our bid now in August, we will be able to be more accurate in our equipment bid, minimizing downgrades and involuntary moves.
How our hiring traditionally works is that you are hired after our equipment bid is done and assigned, and then if anything is left over, that is now what is available for future ground schools.
The company had to conduct its interviews and plan ground schools based on the old collective agreement. (the pilot bid would be done in June).
So now there is a delay on ground schools until our August bid is over so we can determine how many pilots we need, at what bases, and on what aircraft.
Or.....
Maybe ALPA thought when we were negotiating with the company that if we worked a another WDO a month we would never hire again.
Believe what you want...
I completely understand what you are saying, and exactly know how they feel.A company like jazz has to do this part better lest it turn away more candidates due to a perceived lack of respect towards those who are trying to be part of your company
You are new to this industry? Why is getting your name on the preferred list by going through the interview process a waste? Hopefully you will raise your concern with the interviewer when you meet again.Rogue_Rooster wrote:Just got word that all ground schools have been officially cancelled. Thank you for wasting my time and money.
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