Recently I flew from Saskatoon to Regina on a ExpressAir scheduled flight (A West Wind Aviation company, I think) and didn't get security screened, nor were my bags x-rayed. We didn't leave from the Saskatoon terminal building, we left from the Saskatoon Aerocentre, though we presumably used the same runways as the the airport.
I thought all passengers on scheduled commercial flights needed the CATSA shake down, but clearly this is not true; so I guess my question is, when does a CATSA shakedown apply? Only when flying on certain aircraft? On certain airlines? Or leaving from non-airport locations? What is considered an airport?
Passengers don't need screening on some airlines?
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Re: Passengers don't need screening on some airlines?
Not so; only when flying between certain airports. I'm too drunk and lazy to look up the CARs, but only airports of a certain size, usually those designated as "International", although that's not a determinant to the present discussion, require screening. For example, at YVR passengers leaving from the south terminal require screening if travelling to YYJ, but not YZT; the two groups of pax must be kept separate, and anyone travelling from YZT on to a larger airport must be screened before boarding. It's the same reason you can wander onto the apron at some airports but not others, and why some have six-foot perimeters around their fences while others lack fences altogether: it depends on what regs govern them.
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Chartered vs Sched makes a difference, or used to. Chartered aircraft don't carry terrorists. Also, 19 pax or less and the terrorists aren't interested.
Re: Passengers don't need screening on some airlines?
When you fly Bearskin out of YQT to points north and west, you don't go through security. Gotta draw the line somewhere.....
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No security in YXL either so you can smuggle all the booze you want up there.
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It depends on 2 things the airport you're going to and the type of flight. If the airport you're flying to a secured airport (YYJ) all passengers must go through screening. Now if you're flying to an unsecured airport (YZT was mentioned before) you don't have to go through security. If the flight is a charter screening is also not required. I think it's $75 a head to go through security and most charter clients don't want to pay extra.
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Saskatoon and Regina are both "secure" airports. It's more of where you are embarking/disembarking your flight. West Wind flies sked runs between CYQR and CYXE - they use the FBO's at both ends.
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co-joe
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Re: Passengers don't need screening on some airlines?
Inverted2 wrote:When you fly Bearskin out of YQT to points north and west, you don't go through security. Gotta draw the line somewhere.....
and then there's the over-reaction capital of canada Yellowknife NT where a flight just about anywhere and you get the full shakedown regardless of number of seats. No red pass? No go to your aeroplane.
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It's the only way they get people to stay in Yellowknife.co-joe wrote:Inverted2 wrote:When you fly Bearskin out of YQT to points north and west, you don't go through security. Gotta draw the line somewhere.....
and then there's the over-reaction capital of canada Yellowknife NT where a flight just about anywhere and you get the full shakedown regardless of number of seats. No red pass? No go to your aeroplane.
Re: Passengers don't need screening on some airlines?
As far as I've been able to discern, the require for screening is based on travelling to an airport in the National Airports System, that being any airport with an annual passenger traffic of 200000 or more, or one located in a provincial, territorial or national capital. If departing from one of these to a destination not in the NAS, no screening is required, although it sometimes may be given if all the departure gates are through security anyway, but any arrival into one of these destinations requires screening. Of course, this isn't the case with charters or flights operating between FBOs, and I don't know what the rationale is behind that; I've had difficulty finding things in the regs and laws, but never this much.
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We used to do a sched from a non secure airport to CYYC main terminal. The Pax were deplaned and the taken under escort with their bags through a side gate and then back through the terminal to the agents desk or for screening to connect to other carriers. The pax or their bags never actually entered the restricted area in the terminal. It really is determined by departure airport sequred status. If you didn't clear at departure and you are going to a sequre airport you will need to be cleared. Express air goes from their own terminal in YXE to their own terminal in YQR. Passengers are not required to pass through the restricted are so no clearance is required. If an express air pax then went on to another flight in the terminal the would need to clear like anyone else walking in of the street.
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No security from YZF-YFB and vice versa on the 737. You can carry a leatherman, your own booze or anything you want on the plane.
