Stand by for much moaning and gnashing of teeth.

[mcrit]

Tories want review of affirmative action hiring in public service
http://www.680news.com/news/national/ar ... ic-service

[moocow]

For those who doesn't know, I'm Chinese Canadian and technically a minority (even tho there are more people speaking Cantonese and Mandarin than French). I don't really want affirmative action unless it is proven that there is systematic discrimination. Our tax dollar should not be used to pay incompetent workers, regardless of sex and/or race. If you can't hack it so be it. Show me how many minority applied for these government work before throwing down numbers on how many minority works in the government. We need a better view of the picture.

[Dushan]

But the union that represents government workers says only a fraction of jobs are restricted to certain groups. The Public Service Alliance of Canada's numbers show that of 5,000 jobs posted in 2008, only 91 jobs were designated for one group.

Why is even one job restricted to a selected group? Isn't that discrimination of all other groups?

[Siddley Hawker]

Isn't that discrimination of all other groups?

Of course, but it's a positive discrimination. Good for the gestalt.

[Dushan]

What was I thinking. Of course discriminating against those who deserve it is OK.

[Sheila]

hmmm, what is more important, the question of discrimination in the public service, or to discuss the actions of Tories?
Who knows why the Tories choose to do the things they do? Remember this news a little while ago,

Mr. Harper did not mess around on April 9, the morning after the sensational Toronto Star story that kicked off the Guergis/Jaffer scandal. He summoned reporters to a brief statement in the House of Commons foyer immediately after a First World War anniversary ceremony, saying he had turfed Ms. Guergis because of information from a "reliable source" and handed everything off to the ethics commissioner and the RCMP.

[The Old Fogducker]

And why not? She had the aroma of scandal on her like cheap perfume and bad wine. He turned the info over to the pro investigators, who determined there was insufficient legal evidence to obtain a verdict bbased upon a standard of proof requiring "beyond a reasonable doubt." No such standard exists for mantaining the confidence of an employer for whom you serve at his/her pleasure.

The aspect of reverse discrimination is one which should be laid to rest. There are no KKK members on the hiring panels for the Civil Service, so open it up to everyone who is qualified and let the best applicant win the job based upon qualifications, and personal suitability....not on how many monocular pilots there are in the world, and the fact there are none on staff at Transport, so the Personnel Section is now scouring the land looking for a monacle-wearing pilot with a glass eye for the CBA section in Toronto.

The Old Fogducker

[2R]

Take a walk through any Government department the minorities are the majority.Not something that you would see in Asia or Africa ,quid pro quo.

OFD ,In the land of the blind ,the one eyed man is king.

[Old Dog Flying]

Now where did I leave my crown????

[2R]

Some guy in a funny hat called for " Reciprocity"
Wanna build a mosque in Rome let us build a church in Mecca,
Wanna let your people live here ,let us live in your country as well

[Brown Bear]

Take a walk through any Government department the minorities are the majority.Not something that you would see in Asia or Africa ,quid pro quo.

This is SO true. Because we live in the world's largest sheep farm. Try this crap ANYWHERE else. For all you politically correct weenies.....name ONE other country with this policy....just ONE!
Walk into any government office and play a game just like "Where's Waldo".....Play "Where's the WHITE Guy"...
Try this shit in Texas!

[bmc]

Canada is a nation of boy scouts.

[Hedley]

True. Canada is so completely and ridiculously politically correct, you would have thought that we had invented the concept, instead of adopting it into our DNA as our very own.

[BenThere]

Guarantee and work to defend equal opportunity, equal access, and blindness to everything else, including equal outcome. Anything else is inimical to real fairness.

Affirmative action to redress previous wrongs must discriminate against someone and this is wrong. It also results in such ludicrous situations the children of multimillionaire celebreties given preference over an overachieving, but impoverished coal miner's daughter. And when does the preference end in this spoils system?

The best person should always be sought, not the person with a privileged demographic profile. This applies whether you are the benefactor or the beneficiary. Any distortion of this common sense creates more problems than it solves, and results in a less productive and fair economy and culture.

[bmc]

Imagine the public outcry if someone posted a job ad listing as a requirement, "must be white male".

How fast would it make the national news?

[Hedley]

Some urbane forms of bigotry, racism and discrimination are more fashionable than others, it would appear.

[Sheila]

Yes there would be an outcry from whites because they all want those government jobs very badly! They are darn good paying jobs with job security, and benefits, aren't they?
It doesn't concern them that discrimination happens more often then a minority getting a job. Minorities cannot be hired unless they meet essential qualifications.

People should notice who is in there when you walk into all those places likes Shaw, Roger's, police service, city hall, or when they do recruiting centres, who they end up for new recruits.

[Expat]

Hurray Harper!!!

Nobody knows more about positive discrimination then I, who work in this place, created in 1949. We have country quotas, gender quotas, etc...
I am surrounded by incompetent workers, above, around, and below me, which I cannot fire...
This place is becoming infected with low standards, corruption, nepotism, favoritism, etc... No wonder all the good people leave, and look for work in a normal environment...
No wonder the US government has lost faith in this organization...
The normal reaction is to go with the flow, sit on your good chair, and read news on the internet, while thanking God you are making 1000 USD per hour worked...

[MUSKEG]

Shiela. As much as I would like to believe people are hired first for their credentials and not ethnic and cultural background I can't. Go to any office where this hiring practise is followed and you will see a majority of minority people working. Well working would be the wrong term but that's another thread right. But it sure feels good when you hear all the stories of how Canada is righting the wrongs from 4 generations past and being a melting pot of humanity huh. I am not responsible for what happened 100 years ago, was it wrong probably yes but what happened to my grandparents wasn't right either but they just put their heads down and busted they're asses and made a better life for themselves and their children . What a bunch of bleeding hearts. And you wonder why we are in the mess we are in?

[bmc]

I'll share a nice one with you all, and you're gonna love this one.

Before my mother retired, she was responsible for hiring teachers in the largest school board in Ontario. One day, she received a call from the Human Rights Council acting upon a complaint. They said that a complaint had been registered by someone who applied for a teaching job and that they were refused because they were black.

My mother panicked. She immediately went to the file on this individual, while the HRC were on the phone. She went through the file and told them that she wasn't hired because they had better candidates. The person wasn't interviewed.

Then my mother asked, "Where in her resume does it say that she's black?"

The call was wrapped up shortly thereafter and the issue dropped.

Like that one? Happened in Ottawa.

Wait a minute...isn't that where Hedley lives?

[mcrit]

I'll share a nice one with you all, and you're gonna love this one.

Before my mother retired, she was responsible for hiring teachers in the largest school board in Ontario. One day, she received a call from the Human Rights Council acting upon a complaint. They said that a complaint had been registered by someone who applied for a teaching job and that they were refused because they were black.

My mother panicked. She immediately went to the file on this individual, while the HRC were on the phone. She went through the file and told them that she wasn't hired because they had better candidates. The person wasn't interviewed.

Then my mother asked, "Where in her resume does it say that she's black?"

The call was wrapped up shortly thereafter and the issue dropped.

Like that one? Happened in Ottawa.

Wait a minute...isn't that where Hedley lives?

I remember being told that I could not apply for a teaching job with some boards because I was a white man. This was in th 90s.

[bmc]

I remember being told that I could not apply for a teaching job with some boards because I was a white man. This was in the 90s.

The school board in question was Catholic and you had to be catholic to get hired, though there was no requirement to like smooth young male bums, back then.

[2R]

I was told by a HR lackie that i could not get a job at the Ford Plant in Oakville in 1992 because i was from the same ethnic group as most of the Shop Stewards .I have never owned a Ford since.Racist muppets.
The irony is that without the political activism of those shop stewards at that plant that plant would have moved to Mexico.

[bmc]

I'm afraid your best bets for employment in the civil service in Canada is if your a disabled aboriginal lesbian in a wheel chair.

Good luck men.

[Icebound]

Hurray Harper!!!

I am surrounded by incompetent workers, above, around, and below me, which I cannot fire...
This place is becoming infected with low standards, corruption, nepotism, favoritism, etc... ...

Low standards, corruption, nepotism, favoritism are not limited to government employment. Private industry is full of it, too... The only difference is that government employment is a lot more open to scrutiny.

Canadian "employment equity" policy calls for having the workforce reflect the general population with respect to the number of:
1. women
2. aboriginals
3. disabled.
4. visible minorities.

The quoted article states that:

As of March 2009, women made up 54.7 per cent of the public service. That's slightly more than the 52.3 per cent share women hold in the total workforce.

Aboriginals made up 4.5 per cent of government workers, but were only three per cent of the national workforce in the last census.

People with disabilities filled 5.9 per cent of government jobs. The percentage of people with disabilities in the overall workforce was four per cent.

Visible minorities were the only group with less representation in the federal government than in the workforce generally. They made up 9.8 per cent of federal employees and accounted for 12.4 per cent of the national workforce.

That does not look like a "majority" as someone implies. I doubt very much whether the policy has any effect on "competency" at all. If it DOES..... (and you are surrounded by incompetents)... it is because lazy managers are not looking for "fully qualified" when hiring. They are simply filling quotas, because it is easier and they won't be as likely to get called to justify their hiring practices in an employment-practices-review.


And I am not sure that Employment equity has anything to do with "past" injustices.

If the managers did not know these two people by reputation, and both were
"fully qualified" for the job to be filled, 9 out of 10 would not choose the one in a wheel chair.


Having said all that, I am fully in favor of a policy review.... as long as the adjustments-to-policy at the end of the "review" are based on fact and have not already been pre-determined before the "review" has begun.











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