C-GENG Cessna 414 departs YKZ missing nr Nova Scotia . . .

[robbreid]

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CGENG

Plane goes missing near Nova Scotia coast
SYDNEY, N.S. - Bad weather is hampering a search for a small plane believed to be carrying two people that disappeared over the ocean near Sydney, N.S.

Search and rescue officials say the twin-engine plane was about 14 kilometres off the coast when it disappeared from radar screens around midnight Thursday night.

Search spokesman Lt. Edward Stanfield says the plane was on its approach to Sydney.

Stanfield says a coast guard auxiliary vessel was searching the area, but a mix of thunderstorms, low cloud and fog were hampering an air search.

A Cormorant helicopter from Gander, N.L., was en route, but a Cormorant and a Hercules aircraft were grounded in Greenwood, N.S., awaiting better weather.

Local fishing boats were also expected to join the search.

Early indications suggested the plane was a Cessna.

There was no word on the identities of those on board or the flight's point of origin.

http://www.metronews.ca/ottawa/canada/a ... -n-s-coast

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[YYZatcboy]

Might not even be possible, but here's hoping they made it in and just forgot to close their flight plan.

[robbreid]

Aircraft never arrived, is missing over open water, search on going.

Two Cormorants and one C130 are on scene now.

[g_goo_goo]

Just heard it on the news this morning... hope they find them and everybody is alive.

I think it's the same aircraft for sale at Apex

http://www.controller.com/listingsdetai ... .htm?dlr=1

[Sulako]

If you click on the flightaware link and then zoom in on the final few miles of their flight, you can see that the plane tracks all sorts of strange angles before it disappears.

[HiFlyChick]

In searching for some news I found the same article that all the news sites are reprinting, but at the following site:

http://www.metronews.ca/toronto/canada/ ... -n-s-coast

there is a user-posted comment (from someone named Patrick Young) that says:

"Eyewitness

i saw this happen at 1057pm and called 911, the plane was flying east to west and was on fire before it disappeared from sight and was only about 1000ft up,it was over the ocean as it disappeared from sight."

I wonder if this is just some nut looking for attention or a true eye-witness...?
There certainly is a time discrepancy, because if you look at the track on flight aware, it comfirms the news accounts of 11:30, whereas this guy says 11:00. The fact that he quotes an exact time that disgrees with the radar track would indicate that he's probably trying to make his story seem more plausible, but I guess I just can't imagine someone being so cruel as to make up a story like that at a time like this.

I'm saying a prayer for the people on the plane right now...

[CpnCrunch]

Some more info here:

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/ ... ape-breton

"At the time of the last report, the plane was 1900 feet above sea level with a reported rate of descent of 1800 feet per minute. At this altitude, if the plane continued at the reported rate of descent, it would have one minute before reaching sea level."

"The registered owner of the plane is Neill & Gunter Limited, based out of Fredricton, but it was reportedly purchased by a private individual in the last week. The new owner's name is not known, but they took possession of the Cessna hours before the flight."

It could be that the new owner wasn't familiar with the plane and got disoriented in IMC and turbulence.

Unfortunately I don't think this one is going to have a good ending. The best case scenario is that they are floating somewhere on the ocean, but the survival time is only a few hours in that water even at this time of year. I hope I'm wrong though.

[dcabrown]

The Globe and Mail reported the plane was purchased by a CEO of a Calgary based energy company who picked up the plane, however hired an experienced pilot to fly him to N.S.

The plane is actually still listed on APEX Aviation's website as someone has already posted.

Someone mentioned there were reports of a fire? Not sure if thats a glorified eye witness account, who knows..
I'm just wondering how any eye witnesses could have seen anything if they conditions were as bad as has been reported.

I'm hoping for the best, but its not looking god unfortunately....

[robbreid]

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[robbreid]

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[Beach 200]

Well considering the Cessna 414A only has 4.8 hours of endurance, and they were 4.2 hrs in by the time they got to Sydney, its getting tight on fuel.

Also with regards to the "eye witness" reports, the weather made it a little hard to see the plane:
CYQY 060300Z 21008KT 12SM OVC005 21/20 A2963 RMK ST8 CIG RAG SLP032
CYQY 060200Z 20008KT 12SM BKN007 OVC150 21/20 A2964 RMK ST6AC2 CIG RAG SLP038


My sympathies, to the family.

[into the blue]

Another day, another accident...Really hope that the occupants will be found alive and we won't have to add two more unfortunate souls to the long grim list of this year's aviation fatalities in Canada.

[Ollie]

Name of the pilot released.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/st ... amily.html

"We continue to channel our thoughts and prayers in the ongoing search and rescue operation for Dennis and the pilot, Ron Johnston. We wish to thank the dedicated professionals and volunteers who are working to find our missing son, husband, father, brother and friend," the statement reads.

I don't even know what I should say... Fly safe everyone.

[Canoehead]

Well, if you listen to the archived recordings on liveatc.net and follow along with your YQY RNAV 25 plate and the FlightAware plot, you can see/hear for yourself that there was some confusion starting early on regarding clearance limit and what Moncton wanted the airplane to do, and a suggestion of 'slowing right up'... etc... The pilot at one point can be heard reading back a totally different callsign and sounding confused or distracted...

Fly safe all, and know what your personal limits are.

[RatherBeFlying]

Well considering the Cessna 414A only has 4.8 hours of endurance, and they were 4.2 hrs in by the time they got to Sydney, its getting tight on fuel.

If the guy's new to the airplane and is running the mixtures a bit rich....

[moocow]

Search by SAR is called off and transferred to RCMP.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/st ... amily.html

[howard40]

can someone link the audio recordings? I tried with no luck to pull them up?
Thanks folks

[PunkStarStudios]

can someone link the audio recordings? I tried with no luck to pull them up?
Thanks folks

Go to
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/cyqm/ ... -0200Z.mp3
Scroll to around 20 minutes in and listen to the end.
At one point you do hear him calling back with the wrong call sign... probably distracted at that point. And near the end CGENG says something that I couldn't make out.

Then go to
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/cyqm/ ... -0230Z.mp3

And pick it up from the beginning (there's about a minute or so overlap).
Not much to hear at first - except ATC making several calls out to CGENG not getting a reply.... well.. there's some static like an open mic for a few moments but that's probably coincidental - I'm sure by then it was too late. 15 minutes later ATC talks to a medivac to get an update on the patient to see if they need to get in, letting them know they've lost contact with another aircraft. Medivac took a hold with an expected further clearance of about 45 minutes. There's various chatter after that including Medivac saying they don't see anything on their traffic.

It's definitely heart wrenching. I've had to declare emergencies a few times this year, and had some missed approaches that could just have easily sounded like this one. Hell went once missed going into KZ because I couldn't get the 3 green and while I was up at 3,000 being vectored while I worked it out, the AP had bled off almost 1,000 feet before I even noticed it because I was so focused on the malfunctioning gear (ATC called my attention to it). It could just have easily been my recording people were looking up on the LiveATC. The more I fly the more cautious I get. I like to think this is normal but I have a feeling it's the reverse for some.

[Captain X]

The other "wrong" call sign was "REY" which is a cessna 340 from YYC owned by a company who's CEO was flying the 414 .

[PunkStarStudios]

Is CGENG the one that was at leggats last year (for sale by apex) that has some water damage from sitting outside for so long? Went to go see it for a potential purchase. All the floors were ripped out of it.

If this was indeed the same plane.

[Ogee]

Is CGENG the one that was at leggats last year (for sale by apex) that has some water damage from sitting outside for so long? Went to go see it for a potential purchase. All the floors were ripped out of it.

If this was indeed the same plane.

Leggats will rip your floors out to add a litre of oil.

[Lost in Saigon]

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[PunkStarStudios]

Anyone heard anymore on this? Did they find the plane yet?

[Prairie Chicken]

The search ended a few days ago & the matter was handed over to the RCMP. Nothing further heard.

[iflyforpie]

The other "wrong" call sign was "REY" which is a cessna 340 from YYC owned by a company who's CEO was flying the 414 .

GREY is in and out of Invermere quite a bit. It picked up the next-of-kin here and flew out to NS the day after the plane went missing.