Hiring Rumors...

[flyguycanuk]

Common... I know they are out there.

Here's the 2 that I've heard.... from a friend of a friend that knows someone who's a friend of so and so etc...

1. The guy who's in charge of re-tooling the PIT (Pilot Indoc Training) class was told to hurry up.
2. 700 New Hire's

It's really not a matter of IF they are going to hire... it's a matter of how soon and how many.

So, throw some more wood on the fire and let's see what kind of rumors are out there.... heck, maybe even start our own.

[scopiton]

this morning a lil' bird told me AC will introduce 6 b767 on line in 2010

hu, wait... is this enough for 700 new hires ??

[sepia]

Any bid that they put out looks forward into the future. Historically it's been very easy to figure out your staffing levels at any time in the future. Just reduce your workforce by the number of people who would turn 60 in any period into the future, add in a small factor for people who would become GDIP for life, add in a small factor for early retirements, or premature deaths, and voila you have your hiring forecast.

Right now there is a lot of unsureness with the fly past 60 in the courts. My GUESS is that they're waiting until something falls out of the courts before they spool the hiring monster up. I think best case scenario, they start hiring just after Christmas, and then the hiring continues into the 787 expansion/767 overlap, bringing the number somewhere beteen 500-800 with things being status quo in the retirement age. I won't go into a worst case scenario, because I'm on vacation and would rather enjoy the beach than think of what could be.

[Captn Flex]

Hiring rumors so i think we are getting close to contract negots time...

[yyz monkey]

Hiring rumors so i think we are getting close to contract negots time...

Cue the hues and cries of poverty from corporate in 3... 2...

[teacher]

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Just wait until they lobby the government to table back to work legislation mid negotiations before the threat of strike action has even been announced.

If the Jazz board/management pulled this kind of shit I'm almost scared to think of what the AC folks will do.

Good luck!

[mbav8r]

Teacher, it wasn't just the Jazz board or management, Rovinescue was there and apparently his argument to the government, was if Jazz Pilot's were to strike it would push AC into bankruptcy. It was made clear that Jazz could not shut down even for a brief moment as we are that important to the AC network, they would be broke before we could be legislated back. Hence the pre-emptive BTWL. I imagine the same argument will be true for when it's their turn, if ACPA goes on strike, it would push AC into bankruptcy. No strike for you!!

[mduffy]

That only means that the mere 'threat' of a strike will produce significant consequences, be they positive or negative. Back to work legislation could be one of them, however, that's a sticky place for the government to be on a federal level with the largest employer in the country. I think they'd prefer not to have to take action on their own threat tactics.

Besides, starting with the opinion that you can't strike, and eventually being told you can't strike leave you in the exact same place. Why not prepare for a strike until such time as they say you can't?

[aviator2010]

http://www.canadastop100.com/national/

with your seat up right and your tray table securly attached please kindly remove your head from your ass

largest employer in the country

you don't even crack the top 100

[sepia]

http://www.canadastop100.com/national/

with your seat up right and your tray table securly attached please kindly remove your head from your ass

largest employer in the country

you don't even crack the top 100

You realize there's a difference between top rated employers and largest employers right? What were you saying about seat being upright and tray table again?

[mbav8r]

aviator2010, kindly engage mind before opening "mouth" or in this case typing finger. Largest employer is not the same as top. The top employer on the list you provided, has 501 fulltime and 211 part time employees.

"Air Canada is an airline company that provides scheduled passenger services in the Canadian, the Canada-US transborder and in the international markets, to and from Canada. It also provides tour operator services, leisure vacation packages and cargo services. The company primarily operates in Canada. It is headquartered in Montreal, Canada and employs about 22,500 people."
Do some research or read the statement over and over until you understand what was said, you may now go and remove YOUR head from YOUR ass now, if you wish.

[sarg]

with the largest employer in the country.

Not even close! Royal Bank 70 K, BMO 35 K, TD 51 K in Canada 74 K worldwide, Scotia Bank 38 K, Weston Foods 155 K, BCE 50 K, Telus 35 K , Rogers 25 K to name just some. AC just qualifies as the largest Transport company with CN claiming 22 K employees, although I beleive that includes the employees outside of Canada as well.

aviator2010, kindly engage mind before opening "mouth" or in this case typing finger.

Do some research or read the statement over and over until you understand what was said, you may now go and remove YOUR head from YOUR ass now, if you wish.

Need to follow your own advise mbav8r. Aviator 2010 may have listed the wrong source material but he wasn't wrong about calling bs on the claim to "the largest employer in the country".

[sepia]

RBC actually employs 70,000 people within Canada? Seems crazy that they're twice as large as the second largest employer in canada.

Where did you find the stats on the employee numbers? All I found with a quick search was "Some of the top 100 employers in Canada are: All Major banks in Canada, Air Canada, ICAO, Bombardie, Bell, GE, Imperial Oil, EnCana, Shell Canada, Suncor Energy, TransCanada, IBM, Telus, Ernst & Young LLP, KPMG, Enbridge Inc, Major Insurance Companies" ICAO was one I would have never guessed.

[sarg]

RBC actually employs 70,000 people within Canada? Seems crazy that they're twice as large as the second largest employer in canada.

Where did you find the stats on the employee numbers? All I found with a quick search was "Some of the top 100 employers in Canada are: All Major banks in Canada, Air Canada, ICAO, Bombardie, Bell, GE, Imperial Oil, EnCana, Shell Canada, Suncor Energy, TransCanada, IBM, Telus, Ernst & Young LLP, KPMG, Enbridge Inc, Major Insurance Companies" ICAO was one I would have never guessed.

Hi sepia, the numbers are cobbled together from a few different sources. Some the company's website, wikipedia, not fully trusted but still a tool or the company info on their TSX listing.

RBC is not the biggest employer in Canada, to my knowledge. I also don't know if the 70 K is the Canadian employment number or worldwide. Stockhouse claims 77 K http://www.stockhouse.com/tools/?page=% ... ymbol%3DRY my brockerage lists 70 K so maybe that's a Canadian number. I didn't list the companes in any particular order. George Weston, http://www.weston.ca/en/abt_corprof.html, claims 155 K employees, not sure if that includes the 138 K at Loblaw or in addition to. Zellers 35 K, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zellers.

Goverments also are big employers 67 K in Ontario http://www.gojobs.gov.on.ca/Workforce.asp. I'm sure Quebec is in that range and would not be surprised if most of the provincial governments are north of 20 K employees.

[mduffy]

Whether or not my head is in my ass, I am able to admit I am wrong. Suffice it to AC is a very signifcant employer in this country, and this thread is getting off track. Good luck to all those applying!

[DeltaHotel]

How far back was the previous hiring spree ? 2006 ?

About time AC hires, time to clear up the backlog of pilots on the lower steps of the ladder

[sepia]

spring of 2008 was the last class of the last wave, and the first class was summer of 2005.

[Cat19]

nvm

[mbav8r]

Hey Sarg, I didn't make the claim of largest employer, simply a rebuttle to aviator2010's ignorant posting. Secondly, Air Canada employs about 30,000 world wide, fairly significant amount. Thirdly, royal bank employs 54,725 in Canada, Just saying!
http://www.rbc.com/responsibility/workp ... statistics

[circlingfor69]

I see 'The Daily' is reporting AC is doubling Narita flights to twice daily out of YVR in the new year. Can't see us doing this with our current pilot OR aircraft numbers!

[flyguycanuk]

Wow, now there was some major thread drift.

Back on topic... here are a couple more logs to throw on the fire that I've heard on the line.

These deal with how short we are:

1. From a reliable desk... we needed to hire yesterday... the company is just waiting on the age 60 situation.

2. They are so short on EMJ CA they have tried calling in managers in the middle of their vacation to cover flights.

3. Being an EMJ FO on reserve just used to suck... now it's extra sucky. They are so desperate, they really do treat us like Crew Skeds Biatch! Seems like they are in a constant IROPS state. Can't imagine what it'll be like if we are actually in an IROPS situation.


* Note - IROPS is Irregular Operations... Think snowmageddon or massive Thunder storm system over major hub.

[yycflyguy]

2. They are so short on EMJ CA they have tried calling in managers in the middle of their vacation to cover flights.

awww, my heart bleeds.

1. From a reliable desk... we needed to hire yesterday... the company is just waiting on the age 60 situation.

Yup, I can second that. The CMSC committee chair told me that the company contracted through retirement attrition to the point where hiring was needed around 4 months ago but they are awaiting the release of the Remedy, and if they can wait that long, what the Judicial Review will bring.

Still hearing rumours on 777... or maybe I am starting to believe my own rumours

[rudder]

If hiring should have started 'yesterday', then why are pilots still able to go in and get open-ended leaves?

[Sultan]

Open ended leaves are a thing of the past at least for the Embraer. The company is trying get pilots to return early from thier leaves.

[DH772]

on a bit of side note. anyone who has online account was wondering if you could answer a question.

anyone know what exact airplanes AC defines as:
Small multi-engine turbo-prop/jet
and what they define as
Large multi-engine turbo-prop/jet??


Anyone who got hired back in the day got an answer for this?