Edmonton City Centre Airport
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story ... costs.html
Airport officials said the average operating cost is $2.5 million a year, offset by $2.5 million a year in revenue, including from leases. But loan repayments and capital upgrades bring the net loss to $1.3 million a year.
Shutting down the City Centre, on the other hand, could bring in a bonanza from selling or leasing the lands — officials estimate anywhere from $91 million to $486 million in net revenue.
Airport officials said the average operating cost is $2.5 million a year, offset by $2.5 million a year in revenue, including from leases. But loan repayments and capital upgrades bring the net loss to $1.3 million a year.
Shutting down the City Centre, on the other hand, could bring in a bonanza from selling or leasing the lands — officials estimate anywhere from $91 million to $486 million in net revenue.
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This happens to be particularly true of the Medevac relocation. The costs will be extremely high and have been overlooked or purposely put aside as in the report prepared for council in 2009.CBC Article wrote:The cost factor, however, has largely been missing from discussions.
The costs yet to be tallied are:
- hangar and ramp construction of the wonderful NEW air ambulance facility at EIA.(multiple, if not tens of millions)
- direct road access to from this location as current roads at EIA are not suitable for rapid emergency access (multiple millions)
- interchange with QE2 (hundreds of millions based on cost of 23rd St/Gateway Blvd interchane just built in Edmonton)
- automated traffic light system to provide unimpeded access of ground ambulances into the city hospitals. This suggestion is right out of the City's report (tens of millions)
- helicopter transfers, weather permitting, from EIA (at least 5 times more expensive per transfer than ground based from CCA)
Absolutely right, let's talk costs but let's talk about ALL the costs.
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What about the ultimate potential cost, a human life??
All you need is a major accident on #2 northbound between YEG and the hospitals. Ambulance can't get through, no easy alternative route.
I've hauled transplant organs into YXD a couple of times. Those are very time critical. We pass the cooler to the Ambulance Supervisor then watch the lights and listen to the siren as he bolts. I can see taking them into YEG, then having them turn into bio hazardous waste because of a delay getting them from YEG to the transplant facility.
All you need is a major accident on #2 northbound between YEG and the hospitals. Ambulance can't get through, no easy alternative route.
I've hauled transplant organs into YXD a couple of times. Those are very time critical. We pass the cooler to the Ambulance Supervisor then watch the lights and listen to the siren as he bolts. I can see taking them into YEG, then having them turn into bio hazardous waste because of a delay getting them from YEG to the transplant facility.
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Are these the same airport officials that have not supported the utilization of the airport to its full potential for the past 20 years? Just imagine what the City Centre airport could be if hadn't of been left to slowly rot since the International has been around.Airport officials said the average operating cost is $2.5 million a year, offset by $2.5 million a year in revenue, including from leases. But loan repayments and capital upgrades bring the net loss to $1.3 million a year.
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One and the same it seems...
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nothing larger than a 737/A320 could fly out of there which is the whole point of moving the airportAre these the same airport officials that have not supported the utilization of the airport to its full potential for the past 20 years? Just imagine what the City Centre airport could be if hadn't of been left to slowly rot since the International has been around
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Most of the traffic is domestic and transborder, you don't need to get wide bodies in there.aviator2010 wrote:nothing larger than a 737/A320 could fly out of there which is the whole point of moving the airportAre these the same airport officials that have not supported the utilization of the airport to its full potential for the past 20 years? Just imagine what the City Centre airport could be if hadn't of been left to slowly rot since the International has been around
Never point your aircraft to some place your brain hasn't already been 5 minutes earlier.
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theirs the attitude, hey maybe we could get rid of Aircanada's 1 transatlantic flight (Heathrow). lets be sure to keep Transat out of edmonton too, any other airlines you'd like to keep out of edmonton to help with growth?Most of the traffic is domestic and transborder, you don't need to get wide bodies in there.
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Alberta doesn't have the population to support two major airports. Calgary is the clear winner. International travel should connect through YYC.
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"International travel should connect through Calgary".
Wow, what nonsense. These are some of the direct flights that Edmonton would lose if we followed your logic. London Heathrow, Cancun, Phoenix, Chicago, Houston, Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, and other holiday charter flights..
I realize that yow,yul,and yyz are domestic, but they too become un reachable, and unprofitable with a 5700 foot runway. You can not uplift enough gas, cargo, and revenue passengers and go anywhere... So by your logic, Edmontonians would also need to connect through Calgary for almost 75% of their destinations.....that's brutal...Oh well, Airco would be around, Chateau Loius, and the Kingsway Business Association..
Wow, what nonsense. These are some of the direct flights that Edmonton would lose if we followed your logic. London Heathrow, Cancun, Phoenix, Chicago, Houston, Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, and other holiday charter flights..
I realize that yow,yul,and yyz are domestic, but they too become un reachable, and unprofitable with a 5700 foot runway. You can not uplift enough gas, cargo, and revenue passengers and go anywhere... So by your logic, Edmontonians would also need to connect through Calgary for almost 75% of their destinations.....that's brutal...Oh well, Airco would be around, Chateau Loius, and the Kingsway Business Association..
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How big do you want em? " Gateway to the North " doesn't include many International Flights. ( That is why they have the, " International Airport".) A city center commuter airport will serve Edmonton well into the future. Once it's gone, It's gone for good. Seems 2010/highflyer don't know or learn from the history of that airport.aviator2010 wrote:nothing larger than a 737/A320 could fly out of there which is the whole point of moving the airportAre these the same airport officials that have not supported the utilization of the airport to its full potential for the past 20 years? Just imagine what the City Centre airport could be if hadn't of been left to slowly rot since the International has been around
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Indanao,
How well did that concept work in Montreal?
Edmonton IS not Montreal, but the concept of trying to sustain 2 independant, yet, competeing airports with a population base of 1-1.2 million seems a bit much.I beleive it is one or the other. YXD has reached its growth potential re: runway length, expansion etc, while Yeg has ample room to expand and grow as needed.
The cost of infrastructure for roadways etc, is also to be borne by the province and not the taxpayers of the city. Highways, interchanges and such are provincial jurisdiction and thus not directly related to the cost of closing YXD.
How well did that concept work in Montreal?
Edmonton IS not Montreal, but the concept of trying to sustain 2 independant, yet, competeing airports with a population base of 1-1.2 million seems a bit much.I beleive it is one or the other. YXD has reached its growth potential re: runway length, expansion etc, while Yeg has ample room to expand and grow as needed.
The cost of infrastructure for roadways etc, is also to be borne by the province and not the taxpayers of the city. Highways, interchanges and such are provincial jurisdiction and thus not directly related to the cost of closing YXD.
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canadian North, First Air, westjet, air canada all operate out of the international already for their northern flights. So we close an airport that doesn't offer northern service..............and that's going to interupt northern service? I'm going to need an explinationHow big do you want em? " Gateway to the North " doesn't include many International Flights.
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I don't understand why they kicked Quikair out of there for one, and not market the airport to attract more corporations, with air access available on their doorstep. It is quite the advantage over other cities. Getting from YEG to DT is a joke. What a mess of roads.
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Leduc Intl's principal competitor is Calgary. Mind you, it's an extra 250 km. drive each way; so, you need a considerably better airfare or more convenient schedule to make up for that five hours -- or people you like to visit in Calgary.
Interestingly, so many Edmontonians find it's worth the drive when parking costs are included that YEG ran an advertising campaign to use them instead.
Travelocity shows a bunch of roundtrip fares around $200 for YXD-YYC which is not that much more than the cab ride there and back.
But people here are saying YXD scheduled service has been cancelled???
So if Travelocity is correct, YEG needs to kill YXD to get the traffic that's connecting through YYC.
Interestingly, so many Edmontonians find it's worth the drive when parking costs are included that YEG ran an advertising campaign to use them instead.
Travelocity shows a bunch of roundtrip fares around $200 for YXD-YYC which is not that much more than the cab ride there and back.
But people here are saying YXD scheduled service has been cancelled???
So if Travelocity is correct, YEG needs to kill YXD to get the traffic that's connecting through YYC.
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I think you mean YEG-YYC, no airline can offer YXD-YYCTravelocity shows a bunch of roundtrip fares around $200 for YXD-YYC which is not that much more than the cab ride there and back.
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The initial inquiry on Travelocity for YXD-YYC comes up with all sorts of flights on offer -- but when you select a carrier and dates, you end up with YEG-YYC. Can't always believe everything you see on the web.
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Yeah, it's like Maribel...so far out in the jungle you need a guide. Downtown, for people of the North, forget the $75 Taxi. Hospital for MedEvacs is underestimated. City Center to City Center will be the future anyway. Once it's gone it's gone. Pay now or pay later for your short short sighted behavior. Promote aviation, don't try to kill it.aviator2010 wrote:Canadian North, First Air, westjet, air Canada all operate out of the international already for their northern flights. So we close an airport that doesn't offer northern service..............and that's going to interrupt northern service? I'm going to need an explanationHow big do you want em? " Gateway to the North " doesn't include many International Flights.
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Indanao wrote: Yeah, it's like Maribel...so far out in the jungle you need a guide. Downtown, for people of the North, forget the $75 Taxi. Hospital for MedEvacs is underestimated. City Center to City Center will be the future anyway. Once it's gone it's gone. Pay now or pay later for your short short sighted behavior. Promote aviation, don't try to kill it.
"Mirabel".
This post is so unclear, it hurts to read it. Sometimes serious, sometimes sarcastic, with no discernible break in the argument. In any event, close the thing down. Time will pass, few will care. Take it to the bank. As for everyone poo-pooing about having to commute from North Edmonton to get to YEG, give it a farkin' rest. People in SW Calgary bitchin' about the distance to their airport? People in Oshawa bitchin' about the commute to Mississauga? People in Repentigny bitchin' about their commute to Dorval? Anyone in Halifax still expressing sour grapes over their airport location? People in North Van boycotting Richmond airport?... Gatineau to John A MacDonald muni...? So on and so forth. You get the picture? People won't die (nice try E.E.), planes will still fly (no bye bye to GA), and the subsequent traffic shift won't change a damn thing at YEG (no overwhelming of ATC). Life will go on, and the city will still be here with just as many content residents, with many more to come.
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Re: Edmonton City Centre Airport
Is skyshuttle still running? They left every 15 min for downtown cost $11 one way and $15 round trip 15 passenger vans with 8 seats (room for the luggage) would stop at executive flight center, the terminal at the airport and about 100 destinations within the city. Heard they had some business licencing issues afew months back though.
Panama Jack wrote:I'm afraid I will have to agree with aviator2010