Hiring Rumors...

[UKPilot]

That was said with a bit of tongue in cheek, but I was referring to the fact that while Fedex has a fantastic retirement package, very few get to enjoy it because most of their retirees seem to kick the bucket right around 70.

Who says longhaul night flights aren't bad for you eh?

I used to work for WestJet on the ramp and I always said that I would only go back there if I were to fly for an airline in Canada. However, as of late I'm not sure WestJet really is the better choice out of the big two. Has anyone here flown for both the majors and can shed a little insight on the differences (without it becoming overly political please). To be honest, I have had some pretty poor experiences on Air Canada and as such don't fly with them longhaul any longer but I don't think you can use that as an indicator of the actual work environment and hence the rethinking of only coming back to Canada once WestJet is available to me.

[Kevin Russell]

They each have their advantages and disadvantages. If you want to fly for a major airline in Canada you should try for both. Should Air Canada start hiring again you wouldn't want to be left behind waiting for Westjet to call you for a job that is not guaranteed to you. Nothing is for sure in this industry, I would say you cant go wrong with either one and to take what you can get.

So far any hiring rumours are just that, rumours. The ground school contract instructors had been called to do an initial course to start last week but that was for the over 60 guys to come back to the right seat of the Embraer. That course has since been put on hold.

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[loopa]

Are there any airbus ground schools? or better yet, were any airbus pilot's laid off over the last year?

[yycflyguy]

Are there any airbus ground schools? or better yet, were any airbus pilot's laid off over the last year?

No new hire Airbus ground schools planned. Hopefully on this round of hiring the guys will either get EMB F/O or an RP position. There were no layoffs on any equipment. Last I heard, around 140 guys took SLOA (Special Leave of Absence) ranging in time away from 2-5 years. That, combined with guys that actually retired at 60, meant that no furloughs were required... oh, and reduced DMM for those that stayed.

[loopa]

Thanks YYC Happy flying dude

[flyguycanuk]

Ok time to dust off this thread again, here is a new rumour fresh from the line.

1.) 4 PIT (Pilot Indoctrination Training) classes this fall. I don't have dates or number of new hires. Class sizes in the past average between 12 - 18. Any one else hear this?

Another interesting developement. With Mexicana going under... AC has re possesed 6 A319's that were leased to them. What will be happening with these aircraft? Use em or lease em? If we use them... that's about 6 crews per aircraft needed. Any other speculation out there?

[Mclovin]

Ok time to dust off this thread again, here is a new rumour fresh from the line.

1.) 4 PIT (Pilot Indoctrination Training) classes this fall. I don't have dates or number of new hires. Class sizes in the past average between 12 - 18. Any one else hear this?

Another interesting developement. With Mexicana going under... AC has re possesed 6 A319's that were leased to them. What will be happening with these aircraft? Use em or lease em? If we use them... that's about 6 crews per aircraft needed. Any other speculation out there?

Ok so interviews would be starting shortly I would assume? Also as a Jazz guy do we still get interviewed in order of seniority? Or are those days over as we are totally separate companies? And does anyone at Jazz know where they left off on the list during the last round of hiring?

[600RVR]

LOU 18 is done, gone, over with. Now your on the same playing field as everyone else. No special treatment. No carrying over some of your years of service for pay. Which is also good for you, you don't have to wait your turn for an interview.
Good luck

[Mclovin]

LOU 18 is done, gone, over with. Now your on the same playing field as everyone else. No special treatment. No carrying over some of your years of service for pay. Which is also good for you, you don't have to wait your turn for an interview.
Good luck

Thanks for the info 600RVR. Will be interesting to see how much if any mainline will take from Jazz.

[PC12flyer]

If the above is true, why then does the application questionaire still ask if you hold a position on the Air Canada Jazz seniority list?

[RFN]

It is nice to be back on an even playing field.

It is most unfortunate however, that those of us who were called for an interview based on our "off the street" resumes (ie right after starting at Jazz) we not permitted to attend them, only to discover 3 1/2 years later, that we are back to square 1. I understand the fact that we no longer have a common employer (in case I forget all I have to do is check my service charges for commuting) but it is still frustrating.

When and how did LOU 18 die?

[Glen Quagmire]

LOU 18 is still in effect, until at least the next contract. Last round of interviews from Jazz left off around the March 2006 DOH. I assume they would start again from scratch though. Surely the first few courses will be guys from a pool from the last round of interviews in 2007, that's how they did it last time anyway.

[Brick Head]

LOU 18 applies only to companies that AC has an ownership stake in.

So yes Lou 18 is still part of the CA. But it no longer applies to anyone.

[jazzbeat]

that's how they did it last time anyway

Sorry, the first one hired in 2005 (D.P) was not from a hiring pool but the most senior Jazzman to apply

[Gurundu the Rat]

I can't believe some people were turned down for being Jazz pilots just after being hired at Jazz last time around. Sounds like discrimination to me. Time to run to the CHRC.

[600RVR]

I can't believe some people were turned down for being Jazz pilots just after being hired at Jazz last time around. Sounds like discrimination to me. Time to run to the CHRC.

Maybe, just maybe they never got turned down for just "being Jazz pilots", maybe they just didn't cut it. But from what your saying is every jazz pilot should be hired with AC just because their Jazz. I also know guys from Jazz that didn't make it to Westjet. Is that discrimination also? Jazz is a separate company like Just like Georgian, CMA, Canjet ect... Its now equal opportunity for everyone. Either way good luck hope you get on

600RVR

[Gurundu the Rat]

I was being sarcastic although there was a bit of truth hidden in there. For those that applied to both places last time around, and were called first by Jazz, and then by AC. Those candidates got a pretty raw deal IMO. I guess timing is everything. Personally I don't really care as I'm already at AC. Just calling a spade a spade.

Edit: BTW what I meant by discrimination is those from Jazz never actually got the chance to go to the interview. They didn't get turned down because they "didn't cut it". They were treated differently than other pilots based on their current employer at the time. Hopefully if LOU 18 is out then this won't happen again. It also means Jazz can't freeze pilots for two years so two more years of pensionable time at AC.

[Localizer]

Jazz is a separate company like Just like Georgian, CMA, Canjet ect...

I love politics .. Jazz is a separate company when it benefits you .. and in the next breath Jazz is the same company .. when it benefits you. LOL!

B757's .. we're the same company and you can't do that ..

Hiring a Jazz pilot .. we're different companies .. you're on your own!

[600RVR]

Jazz is a separate company like Just like Georgian, CMA, Canjet ect...

I love politics .. Jazz is a separate company when it benefits you .. and in the next breath Jazz is the same company .. when it benefits you. LOL!

B757's .. we're the same company and you can't do that ..

Hiring a Jazz pilot .. we're different companies .. you're on your own!

If you look back, I don't think anyone said Jazz can't operate 757's because we're the same company. They said Jazz can't because its against the CPA, and Scope clause with Air Canada.

As for those Jazz pilots wanting to get on with AC, now that LOU 18 don't apply, they don't have to wait in line for an interview. Isn't that a good thing?

[600RVR]

HOT OFF THE PRESS


The company has sent out letters to those on SLOA's asking if they want to return early because the Equipment Bid in Sept is showing hiring. Its because of all the extra flying in 2011

There you have it good luck to you all.

Cheers
600RVR

[shagger]

HOT OFF THE PRESS


The company has sent out letters to those on SLOA's asking if they want to return early because the Equipment Bid in Sept is showing hiring. Its because of all the extra flying in 2011

There you have it good luck to you all.

Cheers
600RVR

Great News! Thx 600rvr

Any idea when they have to respond by? Just wondering so that one may judge as to when the the may call upon those with"preferred candidate" letters and pilots off the street.

[Localizer]

If you look back, I don't think anyone said Jazz can't operate 757's because we're the same company. They said Jazz can't because its against the CPA, and Scope clause with Air Canada.

As for those Jazz pilots wanting to get on with AC, now that LOU 18 don't apply, they don't have to wait in line for an interview. Isn't that a good thing?

I don't necessarily mean what was posted on the forums. The conversations in line at Starbuck's or Timmy's got interesting now and then when the announcement first came out, and I assure you there were a lot of "you can't do this, we're the same company" arguments.

Are you sure LOU 18 doesn't apply? .. It may not apply in the same manner it use to, but i'll bet you any money that if there was another hiring boom at AC and Jazz started to lose pilots, the top brass at both companies would cook up some freeze or clause.

The other side of the coin .. Is it worth going to Air Canada? I mean this whole age 60 and the "fly till you die" crap .. some will never see the left seat of a heavy or enjoy the full potential of the pension program because of that. Kiss the major holiday's good-bye for the next 15 years .. tough call.

Cheers.

[Brick Head]

I don't necessarily mean what was posted on the forums. The conversations in line at Starbuck's or Timmy's got interesting now and then when the announcement first came out, and I assure you there were a lot of "you can't do this, we're the same company" arguments.

Localizer,

Your not going to hold all of us accountable for those that don't have a clue are you? That can go both ways. It wasn't said in this thread, so maybe it would have been better to straighten out the guy in bucks instead?

Are you sure LOU 18 doesn't apply? .. It may not apply in the same manner it use to, but i'll bet you any money that if there was another hiring boom at AC and Jazz started to lose pilots, the top brass at both companies would cook up some freeze or clause.

Localizer,

I don't know if you were around when LOU 18 first came into existence. It applied to 5 Air Canada regionals. The lists were combined DOH for the purpose of creating a pecking order for the hiring pool. The NWT pilots were the first removed (Combined Seniority List of Air Canada Connector Airlines) under LOU 18.07 as they were the first divested. Mid 90's. Lack of ownership is why LOU 18 has never applied to Georgian or CMA for example.

LOU 18 also includes a 4 years pay jump, higher flat salary, and an extra year of vacation entitlement for those to whom it applies. With the cost cutting going on around here?

L18.07 If there is a total sale or divestiture of any Air Canada Connector Airline, then the
pilots of that carrier will be removed from the Combined Seniority List of Air Canada
Connector Airlines, subject to the Laws of Canada.

There are no longer any pilots on the above mentioned seniority list. This could change though if AC ever took a financial stake in a regional affiliate and LOU 18 still remained in the CA.

At present though any hiring freeze would need to be negotiated with ACPA, since the only language AC has that allows them to do so, no longer applies to anyone.

[Dockjock]

Gurundu, regarding the "raw deal" that you speak of, it is of each pilots' own making.

Myself as an example, I specifically DIDN'T apply at Jazz because I didn't want to get in line behind a thousand other pilots. I thought my chances were better off the street, so I stayed at my previous job until AC called me directly. Likewise, I DIDN'T apply at WJ, because I wanted to work at AC. Look, AC did something approaching 1000 interviews last time...chances are if one had somewhere above 4000-odd hrs, some turboprop PIC time and a college education one were going to get a shot. The credentials required to hire on at Jazz were somewhat lower. So no, it is not a "raw deal" to take the path that GUARANTEED an AC interview if that path ended up stagnating. Others (like me) held out, on the street, with no guarantee of anything and just played the patient numbers game.

[Brick Head]

Great News! Thx 600rvr

Any idea when they have to respond by? Just wondering so that one may judge as to when the the may call upon those with"preferred candidate" letters and pilots off the street.

The equipment bids we have look out 1 year, and specifically in the case of a fall bid, at crewing requirements for the following summer. This means the training plan for this bid will need to be completed by about May 2011.

The amount of movement on the bid will dictate how early, or late, the training plan needs to start. So until the results of the bid are published, likely sometime in October, it is impossible to predict when the hiring process will restart.

My guess is still the new year before there are any new classes. But again it is a guess. I haven't seen the bid.