Sorry for the confusion .. I understand LOU 18 and how it applies. My point was more about the companies ability to apply contract language that suits them. They know how slow the arbitration process works and by the time the dust settles the damage is usually done.
Does LOU 18 have the clause about freezing pilots for 2 yrs?
Dockjock wrote:The credentials required to hire on at Jazz were somewhat lower.
So the average Jazz pilot lacks education and skill compared to the more advanced and talented Air Canada pilot? Interesting point.
Sorry for the confusion .. I understand LOU 18 and how it applies. My point was more about the companies ability to apply contract language that suits them. They know how slow the arbitration process works and by the time the dust settles the damage is usually done.
Does LOU 18 have the clause about freezing pilots for 2 yrs?
Yes LOU 18 outlines the conditions regarding the freezing of new hires. It is the only place it exists within the CA.
Your point about the company conveniently reinterpreting contract language is well taken. To be honest though I don't think they want to implement the LOU because they don't want to pay the premiums involved. Without the LOU in place they can hire who they want when they want. The only reason there was ever a need for freezes was the requirement to hire in seniority order from Jazz. That requirement no longer exists.
Sorry for the confusion .. I understand LOU 18 and how it applies. My point was more about the companies ability to apply contract language that suits them. They know how slow the arbitration process works and by the time the dust settles the damage is usually done.
Does LOU 18 have the clause about freezing pilots for 2 yrs?
Dockjock wrote:The credentials required to hire on at Jazz were somewhat lower.
So the average Jazz pilot lacks education and skill compared to the more advanced and talented Air Canada pilot? Interesting point.
Hi Loc. I think what Dockjock meant was that AC may have a larger pool of applicants than Jazz. Therefore it may be more difficult to get on at AC than on Jazz. The credentials to get hired at Jazz and AC are pretty much the same.
Please, lets not get into this debate about how the AC pilots are the elite and more skilled, and better than the washout Jazz pilots. Alot of the times, getting hired is all about luck, timing, and circumstance. BTW flying for both companies is a lot more similar than most people think.
Dark Helmet wrote:
Please, lets not get into this debate about how the AC pilots are the elite and more skilled, and better than the washout Jazz pilots. Alot of the times, getting hired is all about luck, timing, and circumstance. BTW flying for both companies is a lot more similar than most people think.
Anyways, back on topic....
This debate wouldn't be possible as I do not know a single colleague that feels this way. Of course flying for both companies would be similar as we are all guys / gals pushing tin through the air from A to B in as safe and professional a manner as possible. We are all far more similar than different be it Westjet, Porter, Sunwing, or Air Canada or......
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The CMSC Review of Bid 10-03 has been completed. This bid is a little different from the
bids of the past 2 years in that the downsizing to match the number of jobs with the flying
requirements is complete and, in fact, in several positions the number of pilots required
increases. Additionally, this bid shows the potential for new hires.
This review of all factors includes:
• retirements up to and including August 31, 2011; and
• Posting off of Pilots who have elected to take the LOU 68 Special Leaves of Absence
between July 1 and September 1, 2010.
In summary, this bid shows a:
• slight decrease on the B-777;
• reduction on the B767 First Officers and increase on the Relief Pilots;
• slight increase on the A320; and
• the ability to hire 51 Pilots.
Does anyone know how many LOA's were given in the first place. I am hoping this job post is not just a way for AC to cover it's end in case many of those LOA's don't elect to return and then they hire from the street?? Or are these additional 51 guys beside the LOA folks??
Does anyone know how many LOA's were given in the first place. I am hoping this job post is not just a way for AC to cover it's end in case many of those LOA's don't elect to return and then they hire from the street?? Or are these additional 51 guys beside the LOA folks??
Thanks again!
If memory serves me correctly, but it rarely does, there were around 120 who took a SLOA. They received a letter from the company showing that there would be vacancies on this bid and if they wanted to return early. The 50ish vacancies would be new hires, outside of those returning from SLOA and the 2 returning litigants.
Does anyone know how many LOA's were given in the first place. I am hoping this job post is not just a way for AC to cover it's end in case many of those LOA's don't elect to return and then they hire from the street?? Or are these additional 51 guys beside the LOA folks??
Thanks again!
My memory is even worse. I counted the last bid from June. 81 on LOA.
The vacancies are all from retirements. Required pilots from last bid, to this bid, are virtually identical. This bid looks out 5 months further in retirements than the last. One would expect roughly 50 vacancies from that. Since that is what we see, I would hazard to guess virtually no one elected to return early. We will know for sure when the bid is published.
