Whatever Happened To Novelty Aviation Events?

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Whatever Happened To Novelty Aviation Events?

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So I was remembering times when I used to read the BBS at ZBB during the 80's and 90's and see things like "Poker Runs" and "Rallys" advertised. It hit me that I haven't noticed anything like that posted now for several years and was wondering why not. I've seen several posts on this forum recently bemoaning the fact that many pilots don't fly for fun, rather, to build hours towards various goals. Is the lack of this type of event another symptom of this or is there some other reason - like maybe the high cost of flying. Maybe it's different in the eastern parts o' the country?

If anyone knows of other fun types of flying, I'd also be interested in knowing what they are. I can only think of a few:
  • - Breakfast fly in
    - Poker Run
    - Fly out (not sure of the name, but this is where a bunch of pilots fly somewhere together en-masse)
    - Rally
I've been in a few car rallys and they are pretty fun, it would be nice to see something like that in the aviation world.

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The few years I was in Penticton we did carrier landing competitions.

Basically it was a short timed navigational exercise and scavenger hunt (ie, what did you find) and then three circuits for spot landings, with points being awarded by impartial judges for precision and style. Usually thrown in for an equalizer was something irrelevant like make an aviation themed appetizer or sing (with no music a la American Idol) an aviation themed song.

I blame the decline of these events on a bunch of things.

1) The cost of flying has gone up.
2) Nobody has the time anymore.
3) The lack of young people being introduced to these events.
4) The unavailability, expense, or decline of facilities that make these events possible.
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The 99's in BC are having a Poker run Sept 12, all welcome.

September 12, Kelowna, BC (CYLW): COPA Flight 36, the Kelowna and District Flying Club is hosting A Fly-In breakfast at our clubhouse between 8 a.m. and noon.

September 26, Kamloops, BC: Kamloops Flying Club/COPA Flight 82 is hosting its second Fly-In breakfast of the year from 08:00-11:00 hrs. Everyone is welcome.

Those are just the BC ones. COPA has an Events page.

Or, make/plan an event yourself; poker run, $100 burger run, air tour, fly & golf etc.
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Ontario Events

September 12th
RAA Oshawa Barnyard Fly-In, Orono, ON
Friendly gathering of pilots and enthusiasts and all types of aircraft including amateur built, certified and ultralights. Breakfast and lunch served from 9:00-15:00. Overnight camping is available but no facilities. Win a ride in a Classic Aircraft. Call 416-436-3361 for last minute details. Come out and enjoy the best grass roots event in Ontario!
Visit our website at http://raa-oshawa.dmt.net/index.php/Ann ... eld_Fly-in
Hawkefield co-ordinates N44 00,W78 39. Private field. 3300 foot grass strip. 620 ASL. 18/36 runway heading. 3 miles due south of Mosport Raceway. Traffic advisory on 122.775. NORDO use standard arrival procedures. Circuit height is 1600 ft ASL. Keep all circuits to the West, avoiding residential areas. Runway 18 threshold is displaced 300 feet to avoid parked aircraft. Keep safety as first priority and comply with Transport Canada regulations.

September 25th
Ewings Cancer Foundation is hosting an Air and Car rally with a treasure hunt theme to raise funds for Ewings Sarcoma Cancer Research.
Following the rally is a BBQ, silent auction and live entertainment at Buttonville.
Oshawa is one of the starting points.

Rally For The Cure website http://www.rallyforthecure.ca/
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There are still tons of events held all over Canada pretty much every w/end.
Best list is in the COPA Newspaper but many small clubs also have events that are not listed there.
Off the top of my head for this month:
Sept 1 WW1 Airplane Museum open house Brampton Airport
Sept 11 CHAA fly-in /open house at Tillsonburg Airport
Sept 18,19 Tigerboys Airplane Works Annual Open House at Guelph Airport
Sept 12th RAA Oshawa Barnyard Fly-In, Orono, ON
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As mentioned above, Brampton is hosting our open house this month, but just to correct the date it will be this Sunday
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skypirate88 wrote:As mentioned above, Brampton is hosting our open house this month, but just to correct the date it will be this Sunday
Looking on their site, I see that you are right.
Thanks for correcting my comments.
We can now make both events weather permitting.
Unfortunately it doesn't look good at this point.
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iflyforpie wrote: I blame the decline of these events on a bunch of things.
Sorry IFP I'm going to dispute this, largely for the sake of arguement, but also because I'd like to see some of these things increase in popularity and if some people read what I have to say - which I'm aware is a very small ammount - and perhaps act upon it, well then I've done my part.
1) The cost of flying has gone up.
It has, but so has the availability of it, and in my opinion comparitavely it hasn't become prohibitively expensive. From my point of view the school has doubled its demand in the last ten years and most of it in the last five. The ammount of students I have who own their own aircraft has went up drastically. The activity of these aircraft has increased over that time tenfold. If flying really was "too expensive" I'd be expecting to see dropping numbers. Lots of these people though simply don't participate in what I would term the "flying community". Flying it would seem has become so accessable, people no longer feel the need to group up to get their fix. Many flying clubs after all spawned originally to make flying more affordable amongst the group, newer pilots today are increasingly insular. Here's a good example: In the last ten years there have also been 5 new private runways that have come into being within 30 miles of my home field, though I see these pilots flying frequently, I rarely see them in person. Of all of those runways, only one shares his runway with another owner. These guys are out there doing there thing and would be a big boon to the increase of general aviation in the area, except they have no interest in being a part of any group. Most of them indeed have went through the expense of making their own runway as to not be hassled by any other aviators.

2) Nobody has the time anymore.
To some degree yes, but that would conflict with the above, people are getting out there and flying. I blame this on the advent of cel phones and the me first attitude so prevalent these days. Everyone has time - in spite of what they would have you believe - but they can't be bothered to organize that time with someone else, let alone a group of people. If it can't be accomplished by a few text messages and a quick call on the phone, it ain't done anymore. People used to want to get together and do stuff, mainly because that was their only access to those things - I can remember one of the big things that used to happen at meetings of flying people was a big exchange of reading material, the latest magazines or books, something that doesn't happen anymore, no need, everyone has the internet. Because everyone can get an aviation fix so easily, they no longer submit to a group consensus as to an activity, just to get in on it.

A good example is the local flying club, where you have say twenty members who all have their separate interests. There's the "pro-IFR" guys (you know who I'm talking about) there's the working pilots, there's the guys who are home building, there's the retired guys, the pilot/ame guys. There's the old complainers, and of course that really creepy guy who hangs around every airport. In the old days (well, really not that long ago if I can remember it) it would have been a much more homogenous group, now a days, the typical "club" couldn't organize a rape in a whorehouse. Excuse my french.

A more alarming note is that some of these groups of aviators are also infiltrated by land developers and local home/land owners who actively subvert the club's activities. :|
3) The lack of young people being introduced to these events.
This I will agree with as there needs to be some new blood introduced to this area. Part of the problem is the young people themselves. Once again, aviation is something easy for them to access. I rode my bicycle to the local airport when I was a kid, how many do this these days? I've been incredibly disappointed with the air cadets these days as some of the squadrons seem to being used as a babysitting service by the parents - hardly a good introduction to aviation. I've made efforts to support some of the initiatives to get kids a taste of it, but the lack of participation is uninspiring. The most enthusiastic groups are the ones of preschoolers - I do aerodrome tours and other things for schools for free.

I will say though, that aprt of the fault is the clubs I mentioned earlier. Too many are essentially "Old Fart's Clubs" with a lot of negativity associated with them.
4) The unavailability, expense, or decline of facilities that make these events possible.
Once again I'll agree, but this has a lot to do with the lack of support from the aviation community as a whole. Every one complains when an aerodrome closes, when someone stops selling fuel, when rentals are cut off when a service is discontinued. We used to have a 152 for rent for instance, but it flew so infrequently we sold it and replaced it with a 172. The complaints were unending - but the fact remains that it wasn't used when it was available. People don't know what they've got until its gone.
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The Buttonville flying club does a lot of these things. Every Sat and Sun morning there are fly outs, Sept 25th there is an air rally and various trips around the Carribbean, North and Central America. Here is a list of events just this weekend in Ont. Seems there is still fun in flying.

September 9-12, Killarney, ON: Northern Lake Amphibian Pilots Fly-In & Safety Seminar located at Killarney Mountain Lodge. Pilot sessions focus on safety, maintenance and flying tips from our Lake experts. Companion sessions run concurrent to pilots' sessions. Saturday evening fundraising event to support USA & Canadian seaplane endeavors. Consult www.northernlakeamphibianpilots.com for more information.

September 11, Tillsonburg, ON (CNQ4): Canadian Harvard Aircraft Association Fly-Day & BBQ. Back seat rides available in Harvard and Tiger Moth. Located Tillsonburg Airport co-ordinates 42 55 37 N 080 44 59 W. For more information please contact Kevin Wittet at 519-842-2959 or email Kevin_Wittet@rogers.com.

Sept 11, Parry Sound, ON (CNK4): 7th Annual Fly-In & Drive-In 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. Come join the family fun with games, free raffles, face painting, art show & sale, BBQ and live entertainment by the Northern Lights Steel Orchestra. Displays & rides available by the DC-3 (CWHM), Helicopter, and Tiger Moth. Rain date September 12th. For more information please contact Neil or Tracey 705-378-2897 or e-mail parrysoundarpt@zeuter.com.

September 11, Tillsonburg, ON (CNQ4): The Tillsonburg Aviators Inaugural Fly-In will host a tour of the new Terminal Building Facilities, shopping at Coyles Country Store and a local Fruit Winery from 1 p.m. with a BBQ from 3 p.m. Cost is $5/p.p. The Airport will offer a discount on fuel on this day only for aircraft that fly in for this event. Please call the Airport at 519-842-2929 for more information.

September 11, Brampton, ON (CNC3): RAA-TR Corn Roast start time 13:00. All events are at the Brampton Airport north end at RAA Hangar 41. Everyone is welcome to all events! For more information please email Peter at raatoronto@gmail.com.

September 12, Orono, ON: RAA Oshawa 15th Annual HawkeField Barnyard Fly-In from 9:00 a.m. – 3 p.m. Come on out to the RAA Oshawa organized at Hawkefield, N44 00, W 78 39, 620 ASL (private strip). Overnight camping on field is available, no facilities. Keep all circuits to the West, avoiding residential areas. Frequency 122.775. Keep safety as a first priority and comply with Transport Canada regulations. Note: the runway 18 threshold is displaced 300 feet to avoid parked aircraft. Enter raffle! You could win a ride in a classic Tiger Moth Biplane! Donated courtesy Classic Wings Inc. phone 905-259–1280. For further information contact Chris Gardiner at 416-436-3361, cgardn628@rogers.com or Doug Raine at 906-697-2577, doug_raine@symatico.ca.

September 12, Brockville, ON: 50th Aniversary. Brockville Flying Club and Flight 111 host an Old Fashion Fly-In breakfast 8 a.m. to 11 a.m. and BBQ hot dog lunch 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. For Fly-In info contact Mike Bowen mwb@ripnet.com 613-342-6803, for runway info contact Kent 613-345-4511.

September 12, St. Thomas, ON: Fly-In breakfast. COPA Flight 75's 15th annual fly-in country style big breakfast. CWHM Avro Lancaster and Canso on static display - antique cars and lots of G.A. 8:30 a.m. and 11:30 a.m. For more information please email Ian Basson bassons@execulink.com.

Sept 12 ,Sarnia, ON (CYZR): COPA Flight 7 Fly-In lunch at Sarnia Chris Hatfield Airport from 11:00 a.m. until 1:00 p.m. Tundra Tire Burgers (while quantities last), corn on the cob, and a beverage. For more information contact Chris Schooley 519-542-4555 or chris.schooley@sympatico.ca.
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Considering all those replies - and thank you to everyone who did - it looks like there's a lot of good old-fashioned private aviation in other parts of the country. Glad to hear it! I gotta renew my COPA membership if even just for the periodical.

I agree with the comments about people not having the time - up to a point. But here's the thing - I'm strictly a PPL holder who flies for "fun". And here in the lower mainland that means usually one of a few things - as long as it fits into about 1.5 hours of flying: going to chilliwack for pie, going to the practice area to practice manoovers (pardon my french) or some sightseeing/short cross countries. I'd love the chance to get involved in the occasional flying activity with other pilots - and I don't mean Century Flight, lol.

I think the geography here might have something to do with it. There are relatively few airstrips around here compared to other parts of the country; when I read about all the events (and airports) within easy flying distance of, say, Toronto, I get jealous :D Here, we are bounded by mountains and water and the US border.

The comment about people having access to the internet rings true too. But I still love stopping by the bulletin board and reading the hand-posted notices; I think the one at ZBB is gone forever, last time I checked the new terminal there wasn't a BBS in sight. Nice waitresses, though. But I digress. I've organized car rallies before, but never a flying one. First question that comes to mind is maybe there are legal obstacles too. If so, then that would be enough to quash the enthusiasm for anyone. :(

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I went to this flyin last weekend in SW Wisconsin. Repost from another website. Impressive to say the least. Though this is the states, I am seeing way less activity down here as well. Economy and aging aircraft owners are my thoughts. Most of the pilots that own a plane are over 55 and have their first dollar they ever made. They have lost contact with flying for fun and need a legitimate destination not a hamburger to turn a master switch. Sad

Jack and I departed at 7am with frost on the windshield for a 210 mile flight to one of the most unique events I have ever attended. Doug Ward, a ball turret gunner in a B-17 and aviation enthusiast has built a piece of "Heaven on Earth". 2 runways and log buildings/hangers with a musuem atmosphere. There was even a trout stream running through the property. Lots of pics but I had a hard time weeding them out. 2 movies at end with Deano taking off in one.

MOSQUITO KILLING MORNING 31 DEGREES
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PHOTO OF A PHOTO FROM LAST YEARS EVENT> DAMN!!!
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HEADED HOME
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Now that's what I'm talking about!! The author is pretty close when he says "Heaven on Earth". If you can't be there, seeing those shots is the next best thing. Thanks

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