SOGGY AND JERKY WROTE:
"as to the cold ones...that's all I can get"
I AGREE
"...holy shit you dont know what you are up against? I'm a LOSER"
I AGREE AGAIN
"you will win....many have tried"
AGAIN YUP
"i have so many close connections at TC from my many infractions that my asshole could accomodate the passage of a transit bus going sideways".
WELL, OKAY I BELIEVE YOU.
Hmmmm.
Sincerely,
Your Shadow
T.C shuts part of Skyward down
Moderators: sky's the limit, sepia, Sulako, lilfssister, North Shore, I WAS Birddog
I tried to find out how many pilots and AMEs lost jobs. If anyone has a number, I'd like to know.
Also, I did read that the A/C are all owned by directors. This leads me to believe that a new company will be starting soon with a new name, OC and pilot base. A lot of Canadian companies are going that route to unload debt. Lets see what happens.
For now, how about a little understanding for everyone involved. As a group I think some would eat their (hope it's their and not there) young.
Also, I did read that the A/C are all owned by directors. This leads me to believe that a new company will be starting soon with a new name, OC and pilot base. A lot of Canadian companies are going that route to unload debt. Lets see what happens.
For now, how about a little understanding for everyone involved. As a group I think some would eat their (hope it's their and not there) young.
I wish I could spell
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Winnipeg Free Press
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Skyward Aviation goes out of business
270 jobs lost in city, north
Sat Apr 2 2005
By Martin Cash
TWO months after its operating certificate was suspended because of safety concerns, Skyward Aviation has ceased operations, throwing 270 people out of work in Winnipeg, Thompson and across northern Manitoba.
The 18-year-old regional carrier with a fleet of 25 planes had sought bankruptcy protection in early March.
Transport Canada suspended its air operating certificate on Jan. 31, taking the action after safety deficiencies were identified in a regularly scheduled safety audit.
Skyward CEO Gord Peters said in a telephone interview yesterday that staff were laid off and advised of the situation earlier this week. Discussions are now underway to sell the company's assets, including its fleet of aircraft.
Peters refused to lay the blame for the company's demise on Transport Canada.
"Transport Canada claimed we were unsafe, but the fact is we had 60 million miles of operation free of serious injuries over 18 years in the business," Peters said. "Skyward had one of the best safety records in the province and the region and we had very, very strong customer support, particularly in the north."
With 25 aircraft, Skyward flew scheduled flights into many northern aboriginal communities like God's Lake and Island Lake -- communities that rely on air service as the only means of direct transportation out of the communities when the winter roads close. The company also ran six air ambulance planes across the north.
The confirmation of its closing comes a day after its competitor, Perimeter Airlines, acquired Skyward's Thompson terminal facilities. Perimeter also flies scheduled flights into many of the same communities Skyward serviced.
Saddened
Officials in the aviation community in Manitoba and further afield were saddened by Skyward's demise.
Fred Petrie, executive director of the Manitoba Aviation Council, said Skyward was always a strong member of the council.
"Everything I knew about Skyward is that it was a well-run company that provided a very good service that was around for a long time," Petrie said. "They were as honourable as you could find in business."
Don Douglas, head of the Northern Air Transport Association, said his organization is going to be looking for some answers at its annual general meeting next week in Yellowknife.
"We were quite disturbed to hear that they are out of business," he said from his office in Edmonton. "It looks to me like they got a raw deal."
Susan McLennan, a spokeswoman for Transport Canada, said there were significant concerns in the audit regarding the "exercise of operating controls, proper record-keeping, training and aircraft maintenance."
Two different sources in the industry said they thought the regulators were concerned about the lack of proper documentation on replacement parts that were used. Neither McLennan nor Peters would confirm that.
McLennan said defects were identified in 13 different Skyward planes.
"Transport Canada's priorities are safety and security," McLennan said. "Any time there is safety deficit in an audit, the department will take immediate action."
While it is clear that being grounded for two months had a crushing effect on the company's finances, the company was also coming off its first two years of losses in 2003 and 2004.
Skyward's closing does not have any impact on the operation of Kelly Western Services Ltd., a private aircraft terminal operation and Shell fuel dealer that is owned by some of Peters' partners in Skyward.
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Business
Skyward Aviation goes out of business
270 jobs lost in city, north
Sat Apr 2 2005
By Martin Cash
TWO months after its operating certificate was suspended because of safety concerns, Skyward Aviation has ceased operations, throwing 270 people out of work in Winnipeg, Thompson and across northern Manitoba.
The 18-year-old regional carrier with a fleet of 25 planes had sought bankruptcy protection in early March.
Transport Canada suspended its air operating certificate on Jan. 31, taking the action after safety deficiencies were identified in a regularly scheduled safety audit.
Skyward CEO Gord Peters said in a telephone interview yesterday that staff were laid off and advised of the situation earlier this week. Discussions are now underway to sell the company's assets, including its fleet of aircraft.
Peters refused to lay the blame for the company's demise on Transport Canada.
"Transport Canada claimed we were unsafe, but the fact is we had 60 million miles of operation free of serious injuries over 18 years in the business," Peters said. "Skyward had one of the best safety records in the province and the region and we had very, very strong customer support, particularly in the north."
With 25 aircraft, Skyward flew scheduled flights into many northern aboriginal communities like God's Lake and Island Lake -- communities that rely on air service as the only means of direct transportation out of the communities when the winter roads close. The company also ran six air ambulance planes across the north.
The confirmation of its closing comes a day after its competitor, Perimeter Airlines, acquired Skyward's Thompson terminal facilities. Perimeter also flies scheduled flights into many of the same communities Skyward serviced.
Saddened
Officials in the aviation community in Manitoba and further afield were saddened by Skyward's demise.
Fred Petrie, executive director of the Manitoba Aviation Council, said Skyward was always a strong member of the council.
"Everything I knew about Skyward is that it was a well-run company that provided a very good service that was around for a long time," Petrie said. "They were as honourable as you could find in business."
Don Douglas, head of the Northern Air Transport Association, said his organization is going to be looking for some answers at its annual general meeting next week in Yellowknife.
"We were quite disturbed to hear that they are out of business," he said from his office in Edmonton. "It looks to me like they got a raw deal."
Susan McLennan, a spokeswoman for Transport Canada, said there were significant concerns in the audit regarding the "exercise of operating controls, proper record-keeping, training and aircraft maintenance."
Two different sources in the industry said they thought the regulators were concerned about the lack of proper documentation on replacement parts that were used. Neither McLennan nor Peters would confirm that.
McLennan said defects were identified in 13 different Skyward planes.
"Transport Canada's priorities are safety and security," McLennan said. "Any time there is safety deficit in an audit, the department will take immediate action."
While it is clear that being grounded for two months had a crushing effect on the company's finances, the company was also coming off its first two years of losses in 2003 and 2004.
Skyward's closing does not have any impact on the operation of Kelly Western Services Ltd., a private aircraft terminal operation and Shell fuel dealer that is owned by some of Peters' partners in Skyward.
martin.cash@freepress.mb.ca
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"Transport Canada's priorities are safety and security," McLennan said.
So when is McLennan going to let the taxpayers of Canada know why the safety issues could not have been resolved without driving the company out of business.
The taxpayers have the right to this information, some faceless minion handing out "nothing" statements such as the above is not sifficient.
As I have said previously there has to be some interesting politics driving this one... (
this sounds like Cool Aid by McLennan and Co. )
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So when is McLennan going to let the taxpayers of Canada know why the safety issues could not have been resolved without driving the company out of business.
The taxpayers have the right to this information, some faceless minion handing out "nothing" statements such as the above is not sifficient.
As I have said previously there has to be some interesting politics driving this one... (
this sounds like Cool Aid by McLennan and Co. ) Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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[quote]......its like when a pilot crashes and it was clearly his/her fault in the end....and some person rolls on in and lays one of these on me " they were such a good pilot" then I say...Ok .....how come they're so fuking dead then?.....no answer......I ask you the same type of question[quote]
For interest sake. Apply your logic to the Metro accident in Shamattawa.
For interest sake. Apply your logic to the Metro accident in Shamattawa.
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I have a dilema. In life we should help all, especially, those in need such as our fellow colleagues at Skyward.
However, there are some who do not respect others and deserved not to be respected in return...such as S & J.
I would like to expose S & J's name and place of employment to ensure, that in the future, no employer will have to deal with this waste. I can tell you that we will never hire him. I'm sick of his disrepect of others, especially those who have passed on.
My fellow readers, I need your opinion. Should his name be posted. Please advise.
However, there are some who do not respect others and deserved not to be respected in return...such as S & J.
I would like to expose S & J's name and place of employment to ensure, that in the future, no employer will have to deal with this waste. I can tell you that we will never hire him. I'm sick of his disrepect of others, especially those who have passed on.
My fellow readers, I need your opinion. Should his name be posted. Please advise.
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in a very quick search I found this indirect reference that you work for perimeter.
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... =perimeter
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... =perimeter
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A couple of questions for S and J or Disco:
Is there any point in a pilot or AME from skyward applying at Perimeter? In other words, do you think perimeter would consider any of them? Is the intention to base any or all hired ex-skyward folk in thompson? What's your thoughts?
Is there any point in a pilot or AME from skyward applying at Perimeter? In other words, do you think perimeter would consider any of them? Is the intention to base any or all hired ex-skyward folk in thompson? What's your thoughts?
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Hey Highlander,
As far as I understand, Perimeter may be extending some sort of preference to ex Skyward employees. Of course there is no legal obligation for them to do this, but I think it's well worthwhile for any interesed ex Skyward folks to apply.
Why wouldn't they hire us? We're live in the area, they know why we don't have jobs (not our fault), we know the area.
Even Capt. S&J made some reference to it. I guess that proves that even fools can ocasionally speak the truth.
This whole thing has been hard on the Skyward folks, particualry the younger ones starting out on their first jobs.
For those outside of Skyward who have posted their support, thanks. I'd include the majority of the Perimiter people in that category. At the end of the day, all we want to do is be safe, make money, and fly or fix airplanes. I think that applys to both Skyward and Perimiter employees
As far as I understand, Perimeter may be extending some sort of preference to ex Skyward employees. Of course there is no legal obligation for them to do this, but I think it's well worthwhile for any interesed ex Skyward folks to apply.
Why wouldn't they hire us? We're live in the area, they know why we don't have jobs (not our fault), we know the area.
Even Capt. S&J made some reference to it. I guess that proves that even fools can ocasionally speak the truth.
This whole thing has been hard on the Skyward folks, particualry the younger ones starting out on their first jobs.
For those outside of Skyward who have posted their support, thanks. I'd include the majority of the Perimiter people in that category. At the end of the day, all we want to do is be safe, make money, and fly or fix airplanes. I think that applys to both Skyward and Perimiter employees
Why wouldn't the pilots or AMEs apply for a job, it not their fault the company got shut down. They have to carry on with their life as well, I sure there is alot of good people from Skyward looking for work.
There we were 2 against a 1000, toughst 2 basturds we came across.
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I think the hardest part is the feeling of losing or hurt pride. I know that's pathetic and S and J will tear me to pieces. I honestly wouldn't wish this on anyone even S and J. It's depressing, scary and it feels like we have to start all over.
But if perimeter is offering us potential opportunities we need to suck it up and try our best.
Thank you perimeter for considering us when there are so many out there.
But if perimeter is offering us potential opportunities we need to suck it up and try our best.
Thank you perimeter for considering us when there are so many out there.
Hey Highlander and anyone else there who is on the hunt: Go apply at the Green Machine! What can you loose; won't be your pride, as anyone who is unemployed and not searching, waiting for something to get handed to them is pathetic. Anyone making a conscience effort to find work should have some pride and hope, and most people can see that and respect that. Everyone realizes that there are a lot of Skyward people out of a job, most of them no fault of their own. And as it's been stated, rumor has it the Green Machine is more than willing to hire qualified folks.
Included in this are pilots. Sure you may not get to walk right in and sit in a seat, but apply for ground personel. Put in some time and hard work, and you can reap the benefits of getting in a seat just like the others on the ground doing their time. I'm sure there have been pilots from other companies with more time than you that have started all over again at the bottom and have made it onto the flight line.
Keep your heads up!
Included in this are pilots. Sure you may not get to walk right in and sit in a seat, but apply for ground personel. Put in some time and hard work, and you can reap the benefits of getting in a seat just like the others on the ground doing their time. I'm sure there have been pilots from other companies with more time than you that have started all over again at the bottom and have made it onto the flight line.
Keep your heads up!
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S&J
I was wondering what you thought went wrong in Shamattawa. I'm referring to the Metro accident of a few years ago.
Another question.
You land in God's. You break out at minimums, let's say 500 feet for arguments sake. Visilility is 15sm underneath the solid overcast, however, the overcast is now 400 feet. You need to go to Oxford House and it's below minimums. Ceiling only, it's still 400 overcast 15sm.
What do you do?
Same scenario only visibility is 1 mile in snow. What do you do?
I was wondering what you thought went wrong in Shamattawa. I'm referring to the Metro accident of a few years ago.
Another question.
You land in God's. You break out at minimums, let's say 500 feet for arguments sake. Visilility is 15sm underneath the solid overcast, however, the overcast is now 400 feet. You need to go to Oxford House and it's below minimums. Ceiling only, it's still 400 overcast 15sm.
What do you do?
Same scenario only visibility is 1 mile in snow. What do you do?
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Instead of turning this thread into being about S&J, how about starting a new one?170 to xray wrote:S&J
I was wondering what you thought went wrong in Shamattawa. I'm referring to the Metro accident of a few years ago.
Another question.
You land in God's. You break out at minimums, let's say 500 feet for arguments sake. Visilility is 15sm underneath the solid overcast, however, the overcast is now 400 feet. You need to go to Oxford House and it's below minimums. Ceiling only, it's still 400 overcast 15sm.
What do you do?
Same scenario only visibility is 1 mile in snow. What do you do?
Just a thought....................
"The South will boogie again."
[quote]what I have done here is taken a thread about something else...and in my special way....made it about me...
looks like he allready made it about himself, pg 14................
that was an interesting view of the metro sitting on its ass in YTH the other day.....
:shock[/quote]
looks like he allready made it about himself, pg 14................
that was an interesting view of the metro sitting on its ass in YTH the other day.....
:shock[/quote]
