Long Gun Registry Survives

[SuperchargedRS]

Anyone who has ever experienced real crime (i.e. having your house broken into, seeing someone robbed at gun point), realizes that the police will NOT BE your salvation, unless a cop happens to be driving by right when something goes down...and if that's that case go buy a lotto ticket!

If YOU want to be protected YOU have to do it. Any idea what the response time is for a cop vs. the time it takes to be robbed/killed/etc???

Gotta debunk a few things here Niss

I wonder how many bar fights would end up in a who can make more holes in who contest if everyone was armed?

There is NO state where you are permitted to carry in and establishment that serves liquor.

I wonder how many more people would have died if there were a bunch of untrained hair triggered people with guns on the loose.

Go to your local walmart. Do you really want the average person walking around with a gun ready to dish out vigilante justice?

For a concealed permit do they have to have the same training as police or military?

1) Many states have a mandatory training program

2) The average drooling idiot probably cant save enough money to buy a pistol and is far too lazy to go to the cop shop and apply for a CCW permit

3) Same training as the police or military, well I have been to the shooting range a few times, shot in a few USPSA events and the cops tend to never get very far in those. I've out shot my fair share of cops.

[xsbank]

That's true, about 50,000 50,000! will die each year from cancer and heart disease yet guns get about 100.

ISTP's pea meal bacon will kill more this year than all the guns. My cousin was buried yesterday - colon cancer.

Talk about a red herring, but the mindless and the brain dead will soak it up. "Remember the 14!" Right.

[North Shore]

I wonder how many women that coward Lapine would have killed if those women had the ability to defend themselves and return fire.I bet that coward would have shit his pants and run away.

I would be more interested in what the @#$! was going through the minds of the cowards who quietly walked out of the room, leaving the women behind.

Same as the cowards on September 11th who sat mildly in their seats while they were being hijacked? (because the prevailing wisdom at that time was that the hijackers would land at an airport and issue a series of demands, which would then be negotiated, and everyone would get safely released...)

I think that December 6th, 1989 was a game changer in a similar way. It's pretty easy now, 21 years later, (and safe in your parents' basement ) to criticize the actions of a group of people whose shoes you've been fortunate enough to have never stood in. FWIW, IIRC, at least two of those young men have since committed suicide...

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xsbank, you take any action against my peameal, and you'll have to pry my sammich...
FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!!!!



Sorry about your loss, but when they bury me because of too much peameal bacon, rest assured, I will have died doing what I loved to do.

[niss]

So if the US style gun law is the ultimate answer to our needs why was the 2004 murder rate in the US 5.5/100K (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_01.html) while in Canada it was 2/100K (http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidie ... 1a-eng.htm)?

[Frank Gallagher]

So if the US style gun law is the ultimate answer to our needs why was the 2004 murder rate in the US 5.5/100K (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_01.html) while in Canada it was 2/100K (http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidie ... 1a-eng.htm)?

I would imagine that it has something to do with other social problems in the U.S

[NWONT]

Well Niss, the murder rate in Rwanda in 1994 was 800000 in 100 days. Very few if any firearms involved. How does that fit into your equasion?

[GoinNowhereFast]

Somebody should tell the Liberals and the NDP that there's no point in registering firearms. Just control who can have guns, and where they can take them. Do that through licensing and training.

They already know that I'm licensed to own, use and buy shot guns and rifles. Does it really matter that they also know that my only gun is a bolt action .22? Gotta love beaurocratic redundancy.

[niss]

If people here are arguing that had there been more public guns most criminals would be too scared to commit said crimes. Why are there not more numbers to back that up?

[Brown Bear]

Talk about a red herring, but the mindless and the brain dead will soak it up. "Remember the 14!" Right.

Registration of that particular Ruger, Mini 14, would not have been any guarantee the 14 would be alive today. But you already know that.

[GoinNowhereFast]

If people here are arguing that had there been more public guns most criminals would be too scared to commit said crimes. Why are there not more numbers to back that up?

I believe it is because there are too many other variables to actually produce reliable statistics.
Nobody will ever eliminate gun crimes, but the answer is not a firearm registry. Nor is the answer "the wild west".

Interestingly, the UK muder rate is similar to Canada's, but their fire arm laws are much tighter.

[niss]

What does the Harper fan club have to say about this?

Tories ignore vote to reinstate long-form census
...
Clement had already said his government would not heed the motion in the Commons, and briskly dismissed the missives from the provinces.
...
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/9018052.html

So I ask you Harper apologists, why is Harper allowed to flagrantly ignore the will of parliament and by extension the people? How would most of you react had this been a Liberal or NDP government directly violating the will of Parliament?

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Let the threadjack begin!

Industry Canada's "internal survey of correspondence did not show anything close to a thousand a day," he wrote to Statistics Canada's Connie Graziadei, adding in brackets "we got a standard 25-30 a year."

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/1 ... ments.html

[rigpiggy]

If people here are arguing that had there been more public guns most criminals would be too scared to commit said crimes. Why are there not more numbers to back that up?

But almost 30 years after the law was passed, it is still in place and still popular, not least because Kennesaw’s crime rate has remained disproportionately low, even as the town’s population swelled from 5,000 in 1982 to almost 35,000 now. According to the latest FBI statistics, Kennesaw recorded 31 violent crimes – mainly robberies and aggravated assaults – during 2008. In other similar-sized local towns the figures were much higher – 127 in Dalton and 188 in Hinesville. For property crimes – largely burglaries and thefts – Kennesaw recorded 555 while Dalton had 1,124 and Hinesville 1,802.
Samantha Ellis with her lightweight Kimber Ultra Carry .45
Samantha Ellis, 26, a Kennesaw resident, with her lightweight Kimber Ultra Carry .45

“Firearms are involved in less than 2 per cent of the crime around here,” confirms Craig Graydon, a police lieutenant who has served in Kennesaw for 24 years. “If nothing else, [the firearms law] draws a lot of attention to the importance of crime prevention.” Though it will give liberals heartburn, Kennesaw’s gun policy works.


BTW Lepine should have been disallowed from owning firearms as it was. He had a previous history of violence, and had been under the care of a psychiatrist

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Judging by the demographics, I think it would be a low crime area anyways. With or without guns, IMHO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia

[mcrit]

What does the Harper fan club have to say about this?

Here's what I have to say about it. "What the @#$! does it have to do with the gun registry? Do you have ADD or do you just spend most of your time stoned, Niss?"

[niss]

What does the Harper fan club have to say about this?

Here's what I have to say about it. "What the @#$! does it have to do with the gun registry? Do you have ADD or do you just spend most of your time stoned, Niss?"

Since this thread already descended into a conservatives vs Liberals thing anyway, I opted to not create yet another thread.

[rigpiggy]

Crime statistics

Kennesaw crime rates are less than half of US averages. Crime rates declined from 2003 through 2008.[11] [12]

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Just like the rest of the USA. But it's true, there are always more guns in the US every year. Hmmm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

But then again, the decline of pirates also caused global warming too.



I'm confused now.

[rigpiggy]

I would say that the rise in piracy is due to the systematic strip mining of aquatic species by multinationals making it impossible for local inshore fishermen to make a living.

[. ._]

Whatever, man. It's all groovy.

[Siddley Hawker]

I love the logic for retaining the long form, which essentially is that the only information that can be trusted is that which is obtained under duress, i.e. under threat of a prison sentence. I think that logic should be extended to the criminal justice system. You want information from a suspect? Take him downstairs and beat the shit out of him with a rubber hose. Guaranteed accurate results.