Transat CBA

[slob driver]

Hello all,

It's been pretty quiet with regards to the new Transat CBA. Can anyone shed some light on the document. Pay raises? Narrow body flying going in-house? Retirement enhancements?

Thanks in advance

[.......]

Road show ends tomorrow night and we have until Oct. 5th to vote, so I doubt you will hear anything before then...

[RichAir]

Canjet was operating under AT OC out of Montreal tonight. What's going on?

[Niodatchi]

You will see Canjet operating Transat flights for a while.

[CJ6]

Just curious how you know CanJet was operating out of YUL the other night on AT's OC? Whats that mean, if anything?Seems odd.

[RichAir]

Correct me if I'm wrong but, the call sign was Transat XXXX. Controller replied Transat XXXX Heavy, ... then the pilot said, no, we're not heavy tonight as we are a 737 of CanJet. My understanding of that is when you use a call sign, it means you operate under the OC linked to that callsign.

[ajet32]

Your understanding is incorrect. I operated a CRJ100 for Harmony Airways using the Harmony call sign. The aircraft was operated and maintained by Voyageur Airways of North Bay. Very common in the ACMI world.
Not sure why C6 would be using an AT call sign but they still have their OC and you don't change all the paper work in that short a time

[60N30W]

Correct me if I'm wrong but, the call sign was Transat XXXX. Controller replied Transat XXXX Heavy, ... then the pilot said, no, we're not heavy tonight as we are a 737 of CanJet. My understanding of that is when you use a call sign, it means you operate under the OC linked to that callsign.

Do you recall what time of the day that was?

Thanks

[buzzjob]

Operated a Zoom 767 under the "Skytour" callsign once. Adhoc charter world, pretty normal.

[RichAir]

It was just before 20h. You learn me something guys!

[Global450]

Sub charter for TS,departed around 19:35L,Canjet aircraft and crew sub charter to finish the last leg of a flight that had originated in Europe and was continuing to YYZ.

[Localizer]

Anyone have information on the roadshow? Details would be nice if you're willing to share.

[aerodude]

$19k drop in junior F/O salary... All in the name to undercut Canjet... Pilots are tools....

[aerosexual]

$19k drop in junior F/O salary... All in the name to undercut Canjet... Pilots are tools....

This is sad! All the other pilot contracts should be aiming to emulate Air Transat's, and not the other way around. An experienced pilot joining the ranks as F/O at Air Transat SHOULD be making $70,000 at that point in their careers, and not $50,000.

ACPA is allowing Sky Regional to come into the picture at $31,000 plus $14 an hour for F/O's. Air Transat cut its junior F/O pay by $19,000. Everybody else's starting pay is ridiculously low, basically making pilots pay for their training in the first few years of employment with the company. And people complain about pilots paying $20,000 for a type rating and finding better paying employment around the world? Things are supposed to be getting better, not worse.

Any other details in the new agreement? Hopefully there are improvements elsewhere.

[Spaceshuttle]

Is that drop on the new narrow body or heavy?

[Spaceshuttle]

How exactly does it word the salary drop in the contract? Does it say due to Cj or does it say because of Cj we are lowering salaries? Does it mention anyone else in the contract?

[Mig29]

19K/year DROP!!?

I presume Cj is Transat's new narrow body C-series jet they (may) have ordered??

Anyone has any official news on this....just curious, not ranting here.

[hithere]

No, by Cj he is referring to Canjet. Transat has reduced(newhire I assume) FO pay by $19000 to recapture flying that was given to Canjet. Is this correct? when does the Canjet contract expire? any more details?

[sanjet]

So if I got this right. TS pilots were operating with no new contract where pay was pretty decent.. They then were threatening to go on strike if a new contract wasn't renewed. After negotiations, it turns out junior pilots will now make less... Please tell me there's some positive news in the new contract.. I can tell you right now, that if pilots think lowering the pilot salaries will make a difference in terms of competing against Canjet, they are naive. Something tells me Transat executives will have a nice xmas bonus.

[Mig29]

Sanjet,

I think you are on the right path...If that is the case, what or who will say TS will not in few more years, when the contract expires reopen the whole 'contracting out' flying. And now you are back at square one with 19K/year less doing the same work?????

[IflyaSewerpipe]

Yeah it's not a perfect contract but overall it's good. The union guys worked hard for it and it was voted in at 75 percent in favour. The payscale has increased except unfortunately new hires will start with 50k and 55k respectively for year one and two before transitioning to the regular scale. For the current pilots, the scale pay has increased to aprox 2 percent a year until 2014. No one is taking a pay cut. Captains will top out at 190k base pay and f/o's just over 120k. The narrow body scale is different. Don't know it off the top my head.

[hithere]

But you don't currently have narrowbodies. Is the idea to repatriate the Canjet flying once their contract is up? When will their cntract be up?

[IflyaSewerpipe]

I think the Canjet contract is up in 2013, however, it doesn't mean we can't operate narrow bodies ourselves before then. The new agreement is just in case. It might not even happen at all. Nothing is written in stone about actually acquiring our own 737's. It's all talk right now.

[Mig29]

IflyaSewerpipe, so who is considered to be "NEW HIRED" ?

Guys who got jobs this summer, or the ones who are going to be hired for the latest A330 job post? Or anyone AFTER them?

[60N30W]

Mig 29

I would think anyone hired from now on would be considered a new hire. Anyone hired since the last contract expired was hired under the terms of the last contract so will not be taking a paycut. Although the new starting salary is lower it is still higher than most starting salaries anywhere in Canada.

One thing that has to be remembered about contract negos is that you negotiate for the pilots in house already, and not for those who may be hired down the road. As an example would you give up a pay raise in order to keep the entry level salaries a bit higher? What if no one is hired for the next four years?

Overall we have a pretty good contract at TSC, and it is a good place to fly, if you are interested in learning more, just apply, hiring should begin soon for the new year.

Regards,

60N30W