Airline Pilot Rejects TSA

[Meatservo]

Luckily it hasn't occurred to any terrorist (except now the ones lurking here on AvCanada) to just shell out that little bit extra for a first-class seat an Air Canada. They use real cutlery with the meals. They wouldn't need to try and smuggle nail clippers or letter openers inside their shoes if they knew that first class passengers have weapons (albeit pretty dull ones) handed out in the plane.

[Inverted2]

Would be nice if we all grew a pair and picked a day and said enough is enough with the TSA/Catsa bullshit we have to face everyday at our jobs!

[fish4life]

make it kinda like one of those walks for a cause where everyone goes though the streets naked except every pilot going through security in North America will do so in just underwear

[niss]

Can you demand to be strip searched right there in front of everyone?

[bmc]

Can you demand to be cavity searched right there in front of everyone?

Fixed it for you

[niss]

Hey there is a method to my madness.

If they want to look through under my clothes, I want it to be as humiliating for them as it is for me.

I want to give everyone in line the pleasure of watching me fart in (CA)TSAs face. Is it your perogative to be publicly strip searched or do you have to go the room?

[proper]

What if simple proximity to the scanners would cause health issues??? You think those screeners standing inches away are completely safe...scanning for 7.5 hours a day? Maybe one day that will come out and then hopefully we can all give our head a shake and think of something EFFECTIVE AND PRACTICAL i.e. behavioral searches.

[Inverted2]

All flight crews should opt out of the body scanners. If you then get a molesting pat-down by a TSA goon, then book off as unfit for duty. If we don't stand up to this crap then it will go on forever!!!!

[Morav]

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/ ... 1_ST_N.htm


Unions tell pilots to avoid body scanners at airports

[. ._]

Maybe their uniforms will be changed to look like Geena Davis' at 0:25.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbK7759m ... re=related

[Morav]

TSA Pat-Down of a 3 Year Old



Pedophiles dream job if you ask me... This is pretty disturbing, and will likely push people from airline travel.

[fish4life]

that is sad

[TG]

I've been forwarded this on my email:

The Airport Solution


Here's the solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners at the airports.

Have a booth you step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on you.

It's a win-win for everyone, and there would be none of this crap about racial profiling.


It eliminates a long and expensive trial. Justice will be swift. Case closed! This is so simple it's brilliant.

I can see it now: You're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion, followed by an announcement over the PA system, "Attention standby passengers. We now have a seat available on flight number ...."

Works for me!

Works for me too

[V1 Rotate]

Ron Paul nails it!

[godsrcrazy]

All flight crews should opt out of the body scanners. If you then get a molesting pat-down by a TSA goon, then book off as unfit for duty. If we don't stand up to this crap then it will go on forever!!!!

There is the good Old Union mentality for you. Hell with the company revenue, Hell with the passengers i will just book off unfit for duty and show them all how powerful i really am.

[ogc]

All flight crews should opt out of the body scanners. If you then get a molesting pat-down by a TSA goon, then book off as unfit for duty. If we don't stand up to this crap then it will go on forever!!!!

There is the good Old Union mentality for you. Hell with the company revenue, Hell with the passengers i will just book off unfit for duty and show them all how powerful i really am.

Normally I am not one to stand up for Unions, however in this case it is not the union v the company. It is the Union trying to make an effective change for the better of the profession that has nothing to do with the company.

That I wholeheartedly agree with.

[2R]

Can you demand to be cavity searched right there in front of everyone?

Fixed it for you

My last cavity search was uncomfortable,i asked the fella doing it to remove his ring as it was chaffing.He told me it was not a ring,it was his wristwatch

[HORUNNER]

... The RAIC allows us to do our job just a little easier....

Please elaborate.

BBB

This topic truly is like beating ones head against the wall. Comments like the Tim Hortons employee having more Privileges then pilots what a crock. They walk through the same security line up as the rest of us.

BBB As for elaborate about the RAIC after you go through security does the RAIC not allow you access to your aircraft along with ramp access without being escorted.

For all of you that think they should not be question please read the below article. I bet Col Williams thought he was above ever having to go through any security checks or be questioned. Lets not forget this guy probably had more security clearance then we could ever imagine having. This just proves anyone of us can slip a disk and do some thing totally crazy. Lets not forget there are some people that are desperate enough they don't have to bring something across to blow up the plane they are on. You just have to bring it across for some other foul to do it.

Again the fact is this guy refused a simple pat down because he felt he is just a little better then everyone else. Now that he probably realized what a mistake he made of him self he is looking for more people to support him. This all because the company probably looked at it and said we cannot support you not following the rules.

Col. Russell Williams pleads guilty
Warning: This story contains disturbing details (CBC News)

YOu truely are retarded

[ogc]

TSA: Pilots to be exempt from some airport checks

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... d8dcc66d67...

[KK7]

I trust my fellow pilots to be good people... in fact I have to have faith in that trust, there is no real other choice.
But if a pilot wishes to cause harm to the aircraft, what can airport security do about it?

[godsrcrazy]

I trust my fellow pilots to be good people... in fact I have to have faith in that trust, there is no real other choice.
But if a pilot wishes to cause harm to the aircraft, what can airport security do about it?

You don't have to do anything to your aircraft. You only have to carry something across that will allow others to do it. People do desperate things during desperate times. Even pilots.

HORUNNER thanks nothing like a little name calling to show just how mature you are. Keep it up an dthis post will get locked and disappear because of people like you.

[AirFrame]

Luckily it hasn't occurred to any terrorist (except now the ones lurking here on AvCanada) to just shell out that little bit extra for a first-class seat an Air Canada. They use real cutlery with the meals. They wouldn't need to try and smuggle nail clippers or letter openers inside their shoes if they knew that first class passengers have weapons (albeit pretty dull ones) handed out in the plane.

True story... I cut myself once with one of the plastic knives they hand out in Cattle Class (oh, sorry, I meant "Economy"). I asked the stewardess for a bandaid, and she had me follow her down to the galley so she could give me one out of sight of the passengers. I did. While there, she asked how I cut myself. When I told her, she said "oh, those knives aren't sharp enough to cut skin... How did you *really* cut yourself?" I just thanked her for the band-aid and went back to my seat. She gave me strange looks for the rest of the flight.

It occurs to me that you could cause a lot of pain with a metal fork that had all but one tine folded back. Yet they still give them out with the plastic knives. Security theatre, I say. Nothing more.

[North Shore]

I trust my fellow pilots to be good people... in fact I have to have faith in that trust, there is no real other choice.
But if a pilot wishes to cause harm to the aircraft, what can airport security do about it?

You don't have to do anything to your aircraft. You only have to carry something across that will allow others to do it. People do desperate things during desperate times. Even pilots.

HORUNNER thanks nothing like a little name calling to show just how mature you are. Keep it up an dthis post will get locked and disappear because of people like you.

godsr... a few years back, I worked for a small carrier out of a major western hub. I had a red pass, and was required to go through security every day. I also, as a throwback to my bush days, carry a Leatherman-like device with me on my belt - in addition to other small tasks, the knife blade comes in handy while peeling the 10:00am orange. On the day in question, Transport was lurking around spot-checking the security procedures, so rather than just the brief check, I got the full scan/ metal detector etc... and, of course, they found the leatherman, which they wanted to confiscate - despite the fact that I've been carrying it uneventfully for years. One of our ground guys was sitting in the Tim's just outside the checkpoint, so I ran back, briefly explained the situation to him, and asked that he hold it in our office, and I'd pick it up at the end of the day. I proceeded back through security and then downstairs to our crewroom. As I was waking across the ramp, out from a side door came the ground guy, carrying my knife, which he proceeded to give back to me. "WTF?!" says I. "Oh, we don't get checked" replies he. AFAIK, they still don't.

When there's gaps a mile wide in security, there's no point aggravating the aircrew with invasive searches and harassment

[godsrcrazy]

I trust my fellow pilots to be good people... in fact I have to have faith in that trust, there is no real other choice.
But if a pilot wishes to cause harm to the aircraft, what can airport security do about it?

You don't have to do anything to your aircraft. You only have to carry something across that will allow others to do it. People do desperate things during desperate times. Even pilots.

HORUNNER thanks nothing like a little name calling to show just how mature you are. Keep it up an dthis post will get locked and disappear because of people like you.

godsr... a few years back, I worked for a small carrier out of a major western hub. I had a red pass, and was required to go through security every day. I also, as a throwback to my bush days, carry a Leatherman-like device with me on my belt - in addition to other small tasks, the knife blade comes in handy while peeling the 10:00am orange. On the day in question, Transport was lurking around spot-checking the security procedures, so rather than just the brief check, I got the full scan/ metal detector etc... and, of course, they found the leatherman, which they wanted to confiscate - despite the fact that I've been carrying it uneventfully for years. One of our ground guys was sitting in the Tim's just outside the checkpoint, so I ran back, briefly explained the situation to him, and asked that he hold it in our office, and I'd pick it up at the end of the day. I proceeded back through security and then downstairs to our crewroom. As I was waking across the ramp, out from a side door came the ground guy, carrying my knife, which he proceeded to give back to me. "WTF?!" says I. "Oh, we don't get checked" replies he. AFAIK, they still don't.

When there's gaps a mile wide in security, there's no point aggravating the aircrew with invasive searches and harassment

All the more reason EVERYONE should be treated the same including those with any air side access.

[Topspin]

I trust my fellow pilots to be good people... in fact I have to have faith in that trust, there is no real other choice.
But if a pilot wishes to cause harm to the aircraft, what can airport security do about it?

You don't have to do anything to your aircraft. You only have to carry something across that will allow others to do it. People do desperate things during desperate times. Even pilots.

HORUNNER thanks nothing like a little name calling to show just how mature you are. Keep it up an dthis post will get locked and disappear because of people like you.

godsr... a few years back, I worked for a small carrier out of a major western hub. I had a red pass, and was required to go through security every day. I also, as a throwback to my bush days, carry a Leatherman-like device with me on my belt - in addition to other small tasks, the knife blade comes in handy while peeling the 10:00am orange. On the day in question, Transport was lurking around spot-checking the security procedures, so rather than just the brief check, I got the full scan/ metal detector etc... and, of course, they found the leatherman, which they wanted to confiscate - despite the fact that I've been carrying it uneventfully for years. One of our ground guys was sitting in the Tim's just outside the checkpoint, so I ran back, briefly explained the situation to him, and asked that he hold it in our office, and I'd pick it up at the end of the day. I proceeded back through security and then downstairs to our crewroom. As I was waking across the ramp, out from a side door came the ground guy, carrying my knife, which he proceeded to give back to me. "WTF?!" says I. "Oh, we don't get checked" replies he. AFAIK, they still don't.

When there's gaps a mile wide in security, there's no point aggravating the aircrew with invasive searches and harassment

They do get checked now, on a, "You've been randomly selected," basis. They even have a full detector and x-ray machines set up at the primary security bypass now, still a hand wand for direct entry airside.

The rules are a little different though. As employees, most rampies et all, (Not the most well rounded bunch, but still great guys), don't have to worry about, 'not making my flight, etc.'
Thus, the screeners are often subjected to a fearsome bollocking for the 'random selection,' most often resulting in a half a$$ed attempt at trying to please TC/CATSA, with the exception of the odd, 'I've got the power type.'

Regardless, the primary security line is covered in holes, and the way we're going it always will be. Probably best not to put up examples.

But a big difference between an attempt at security, security theater, and paranoid delusions.

Kudos to the ground crew for bringing it though. I was working on the ramp when the plastic bag liquids garbage came into effect, and many an aircrew member from many carriers happily offered to smuggle a coffee through since at that point for some reason they were exempt? I guess TC knows that removing coffee will pose a serious risk to commercial air safety in general?