No details other than OPP attending the scene with water rescue off of Lake Rosalind Road 4,
(Sunday Nov 28/10) aircraft reportedly down in Lake Rosalind.
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Update; citypulse reports one person on board taken to hospital without vital signs.
OPP update; South Bruce OPP has confirmed there was one person aboard a downed aircraft at Lake Rosalind, off Road 4. The light single engine Zenair aircraft, which was not float equipped, entered Lake Rosalind at about 12:10 pm today.
Pilot reportedly age 72, departed Stony Creek en route to Hanover Airport where he was expected to land around Noon.
GA aircraft down near Walkerton Ont in Lake Rosalind . . .
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Re: GA aircraft down near Walkerton Ont in Lake Rosalind . .
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The pilot of a light aircraft died after his plane crashed into Lake Rosalind Sunday shortly after noon.
The single engine Zenair aircraft, which was not equipped to land on water, entered the lake about 12:10 p.m. Sunday.
Lake Rosalind is a small lake surrounded by cottages less than a kilometre north of the Saugeen Municipal Airport, west of Hanover.
Police report that the 72-year old-pilot had left from an airport near Stoney Creek intending to land at the Saugeen Municipal Airport during the noon hour.
Eye witnesses at the scene of the crash say he was part of a group of four planes traveling together. The others made it safely to their destination.
Don Goddard, who lives next door to the crash site said he didn’t see anything himself but just heard a bang.
He shortly after noon a neighbour came rushing over to borrow his son’s canoe. The pilot was alive at that time and calling for help.
“We heard a little bang but we didn’t see anything. A neighbour came up and grabbed our canoe and tried to rescue (the pilot) but the plane sank right away,” Goddard said.
Goddard said before the neighbour could get out on the water the plane sank taking the pilot with it.
“The pilot was alive and was hollering for help . . . but as soon as he hit that cold water and sank . . . it’s unfortunate,” said Goddard.
Jacqueline Hayley and her husband Bob live a couple doors south of the crash site. She said it was close to 90 minutes before the man’s body was pulled from the lake. Rescuers tried to revive him before he was taken away by ambulance.
Sgt. Paul Bradley of the Bruce County OPP reported that the man was pulled from the water without any signs of life and was transported to the Hanover and District Hospital. He was later pronounced dead.
The identity of the man is being withheld pending notification of next-of-kin.
The neighbour who attempted the rescue was not available for comment.
Bob Hayley said he and his wife had just returned home from church and he was preparing breakfast then they heard a thump sound come from the lake just a few metres from their house. They live on the west side of Lake Rosalind.
When he looked outside the window he said he saw a large helicopter circling the lake a few times but on the opposite side of the crash site before leaving.
“It was moving back and forth like it was churning up the water but nowhere near the plane. By then (the plane) was under the water already,” he said.
Jacqueline Hayley said she saw a boat in the water already headed for the crash site to attempt a rescue.
Goddard said he was surprised the pilot didn’t attempt to land in a large field next to the airport instead of the lake.
“Maybe he was trying to get to the airport. He came with three other airplanes. He seemed to be farther east than the others. Why, I don’t know,” said Goddard who is a pilot with more than 60 years experience. He just recently retired from flying. He said it was a home-built two-seater aircraft.
The Owen Sound Fire Department’s dive team and members of the Hanover Fire Department’s water rescue team worked all afternoon to first rescue the pilot and later recover the plane from the lake.
The small two-seater aircraft will remain at the Saugeen Municipal Airport for investigators from Transport Canada and Transport Safety Board to determine the cause of the crash.
Both Transport Canada and the Transport Safety Board have been notified. The Ministry of the Environment has been notified because of a spill of fuel and oil in the lake following the crash.
The pilot of a light aircraft died after his plane crashed into Lake Rosalind Sunday shortly after noon.
The single engine Zenair aircraft, which was not equipped to land on water, entered the lake about 12:10 p.m. Sunday.
Lake Rosalind is a small lake surrounded by cottages less than a kilometre north of the Saugeen Municipal Airport, west of Hanover.
Police report that the 72-year old-pilot had left from an airport near Stoney Creek intending to land at the Saugeen Municipal Airport during the noon hour.
Eye witnesses at the scene of the crash say he was part of a group of four planes traveling together. The others made it safely to their destination.
Don Goddard, who lives next door to the crash site said he didn’t see anything himself but just heard a bang.
He shortly after noon a neighbour came rushing over to borrow his son’s canoe. The pilot was alive at that time and calling for help.
“We heard a little bang but we didn’t see anything. A neighbour came up and grabbed our canoe and tried to rescue (the pilot) but the plane sank right away,” Goddard said.
Goddard said before the neighbour could get out on the water the plane sank taking the pilot with it.
“The pilot was alive and was hollering for help . . . but as soon as he hit that cold water and sank . . . it’s unfortunate,” said Goddard.
Jacqueline Hayley and her husband Bob live a couple doors south of the crash site. She said it was close to 90 minutes before the man’s body was pulled from the lake. Rescuers tried to revive him before he was taken away by ambulance.
Sgt. Paul Bradley of the Bruce County OPP reported that the man was pulled from the water without any signs of life and was transported to the Hanover and District Hospital. He was later pronounced dead.
The identity of the man is being withheld pending notification of next-of-kin.
The neighbour who attempted the rescue was not available for comment.
Bob Hayley said he and his wife had just returned home from church and he was preparing breakfast then they heard a thump sound come from the lake just a few metres from their house. They live on the west side of Lake Rosalind.
When he looked outside the window he said he saw a large helicopter circling the lake a few times but on the opposite side of the crash site before leaving.
“It was moving back and forth like it was churning up the water but nowhere near the plane. By then (the plane) was under the water already,” he said.
Jacqueline Hayley said she saw a boat in the water already headed for the crash site to attempt a rescue.
Goddard said he was surprised the pilot didn’t attempt to land in a large field next to the airport instead of the lake.
“Maybe he was trying to get to the airport. He came with three other airplanes. He seemed to be farther east than the others. Why, I don’t know,” said Goddard who is a pilot with more than 60 years experience. He just recently retired from flying. He said it was a home-built two-seater aircraft.
The Owen Sound Fire Department’s dive team and members of the Hanover Fire Department’s water rescue team worked all afternoon to first rescue the pilot and later recover the plane from the lake.
The small two-seater aircraft will remain at the Saugeen Municipal Airport for investigators from Transport Canada and Transport Safety Board to determine the cause of the crash.
Both Transport Canada and the Transport Safety Board have been notified. The Ministry of the Environment has been notified because of a spill of fuel and oil in the lake following the crash.
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Re: GA aircraft down near Walkerton Ont in Lake Rosalind . .
Aircraft involved was registered to 72 year old John Davidson,
a retired Hamilton School Board Trustee. Aircraft involved was
C-GQWP was a Zenair Zenith CH200 and based at Stoney Creek.
Aircraft crashed 40 feet from shore and immediately sank in 15 feet of water, witnesses stated the pilot was yelling for help but was trapped in the aircraft. Rescue crews found the pilot still in the cockpit minus vital signs. Very sad.
http://www.thepost.on.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2866256 photos
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/artic ... lake-crash
a retired Hamilton School Board Trustee. Aircraft involved was
C-GQWP was a Zenair Zenith CH200 and based at Stoney Creek.
Aircraft crashed 40 feet from shore and immediately sank in 15 feet of water, witnesses stated the pilot was yelling for help but was trapped in the aircraft. Rescue crews found the pilot still in the cockpit minus vital signs. Very sad.
http://www.thepost.on.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2866256 photos
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/artic ... lake-crash
Re: GA aircraft down near Walkerton Ont in Lake Rosalind . .
Sorry to hear that.
Recently there was a thread here on AvCan, discussing the merits of a forced landing in trees or water, following an engine failure. Many of the pilots here stated that the water was a better choice.
Recently there was a thread here on AvCan, discussing the merits of a forced landing in trees or water, following an engine failure. Many of the pilots here stated that the water was a better choice.
Re: GA aircraft down near Walkerton Ont in Lake Rosalind . .
That's the kind of generalisation that's really hard to make... It's so dependent on the situation. Not to be morbid, but i'd really like to know why the pilot couldn't get out. Seat belt failure (jammed so wouldn't release)? Broken limbs preventing him from moving? Hopefully the details wlll come out in the TSB report, if they investigate.Hedley wrote:Recently there was a thread here on AvCan, discussing the merits of a forced landing in trees or water, following an engine failure. Many of the pilots here stated that the water was a better choice.
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Re: GA aircraft down near Walkerton Ont in Lake Rosalind . .
Whats your point?Hedley wrote:Sorry to hear that.
Recently there was a thread here on AvCan, discussing the merits of a forced landing in trees or water, following an engine failure. Many of the pilots here stated that the water was a better choice.
Does this particular incident - involving a rather senior citizen - prove them wrong?
Re: GA aircraft down near Walkerton Ont in Lake Rosalind . .
In your opinion, did this particular pilot make the right choice - water or trees?
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Re: GA aircraft down near Walkerton Ont in Lake Rosalind . .
I don't know. He may very well have.
You would have to make some significant assumptions in order to answer that question.
You would have to make some significant assumptions in order to answer that question.
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Re: GA aircraft down near Walkerton Ont in Lake Rosalind . .
Carburetor icing suspected in plane crash that killed Stoney Creek man
A federal aviation safety investigator says an ice-choked carburetor is the likely cause of a single-engine plane crash that killed a Stoney Creek man on the weekend.
John Davidson, a 72-year-old former school board trustee, died Sunday when his home-built twin-seater aircraft crashed and sank in Lake Rosalind, moments from a small airport in Hanover.
Yesterday, Transportation Safety Board investigator Peter Rowntree said Davidson’s Zenair Zenith CH 200 was powerless at the time of the crash, based on the shatter pattern of the plane’s composite propeller blades.
“The evidence is that the engine was not running,” Rowntree said.
Rowntree, who is investigating the crash on behalf of the coroner’s office, said he could not find anything mechanically wrong with the plane. Short of finding an internal reason for engine failure during a forensic examination of the engine this week, Rowntree said he thinks ice built up in the carburetor’s air intake, choking it off until it failed.
With the carburetor choked off, the engine would run increasingly rich until it stalled.
“It’s my No. 1 suspicion,” he said.
It’s often difficult to confirm carburetor icing because the ice tends to melt before investigators can get to a crashed aircraft. An internal engine examination will show if the engine was running too rich to function.
Rowntree said Davidson’s aircraft was equipped with a carburetor heater to prevent icing that must be manually engaged in the cockpit by the pilot. Because the crash ripped the carburetor off the engine and dislodged control wires, investigators are unable to determine if Davidson had turned on the carb heater.
Zenairs are planes that are built from a kit. Davidson bought a functioning Zenair from a man in Peterborough about 20 years ago, said his wife, Ellie.
“It’s been working just fine all these years.”
Unlike planes from manufacturers such as Piper or Cessna that have set maintenance schedules that must be followed, home-built kit planes do not have the same standards of maintenance.
“Because this aircraft is classified as an amateur-built aircraft … there comes the caveat that it may not be maintained in accordance with applicable standards of airworthiness,” TSB’s Rowntree said.
He said that, at this point, he doesn’t know what, if any, maintenance schedule was being followed for Davidson’s plane.
A remembrance service will be held for Davidson on Saturday at 1:30 p.m at Donald Brown Funeral Home on Lake Avenue Drive in Stoney Creek.
News Source thespec.com
A federal aviation safety investigator says an ice-choked carburetor is the likely cause of a single-engine plane crash that killed a Stoney Creek man on the weekend.
John Davidson, a 72-year-old former school board trustee, died Sunday when his home-built twin-seater aircraft crashed and sank in Lake Rosalind, moments from a small airport in Hanover.
Yesterday, Transportation Safety Board investigator Peter Rowntree said Davidson’s Zenair Zenith CH 200 was powerless at the time of the crash, based on the shatter pattern of the plane’s composite propeller blades.
“The evidence is that the engine was not running,” Rowntree said.
Rowntree, who is investigating the crash on behalf of the coroner’s office, said he could not find anything mechanically wrong with the plane. Short of finding an internal reason for engine failure during a forensic examination of the engine this week, Rowntree said he thinks ice built up in the carburetor’s air intake, choking it off until it failed.
With the carburetor choked off, the engine would run increasingly rich until it stalled.
“It’s my No. 1 suspicion,” he said.
It’s often difficult to confirm carburetor icing because the ice tends to melt before investigators can get to a crashed aircraft. An internal engine examination will show if the engine was running too rich to function.
Rowntree said Davidson’s aircraft was equipped with a carburetor heater to prevent icing that must be manually engaged in the cockpit by the pilot. Because the crash ripped the carburetor off the engine and dislodged control wires, investigators are unable to determine if Davidson had turned on the carb heater.
Zenairs are planes that are built from a kit. Davidson bought a functioning Zenair from a man in Peterborough about 20 years ago, said his wife, Ellie.
“It’s been working just fine all these years.”
Unlike planes from manufacturers such as Piper or Cessna that have set maintenance schedules that must be followed, home-built kit planes do not have the same standards of maintenance.
“Because this aircraft is classified as an amateur-built aircraft … there comes the caveat that it may not be maintained in accordance with applicable standards of airworthiness,” TSB’s Rowntree said.
He said that, at this point, he doesn’t know what, if any, maintenance schedule was being followed for Davidson’s plane.
A remembrance service will be held for Davidson on Saturday at 1:30 p.m at Donald Brown Funeral Home on Lake Avenue Drive in Stoney Creek.
News Source thespec.com
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Re: GA aircraft down near Walkerton Ont in Lake Rosalind . .
He survived the crash into the water, could it have been different had he picked trees?Hedley wrote:In your opinion, did this particular pilot make the right choice - water or trees?
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Re: GA aircraft down near Walkerton Ont in Lake Rosalind . .
[quote="Hedley"]Sorry to hear that.
Recently there was a thread here on AvCan, discussing the merits of a forced landing in trees or water, following an engine failure. Many of the pilots here stated that the water was a better choice.[/quote]
Never did see that thread. I have to say that I have always figured that it was best to avoid ditching in water if possible. On the other hand, a fire is less likely. If you are injured, you may very well drown. I suppose there are advantages to each option depending on the water temperature and roughness versus the land terrain available and whether the gear is fixed. Probably other considerations I have not thought of but in your typical somewhat remote area with lots of bush versus various lakes, I think I would choose the relatively slow glide into the trees for a hoped for cushioning effect. Make sure the master switch is off to lessen the chance of a spark igniting fuel.
The picture in this article reinforced my view of avaiding water.
http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/ta ... i_16548845
Recently there was a thread here on AvCan, discussing the merits of a forced landing in trees or water, following an engine failure. Many of the pilots here stated that the water was a better choice.[/quote]
Never did see that thread. I have to say that I have always figured that it was best to avoid ditching in water if possible. On the other hand, a fire is less likely. If you are injured, you may very well drown. I suppose there are advantages to each option depending on the water temperature and roughness versus the land terrain available and whether the gear is fixed. Probably other considerations I have not thought of but in your typical somewhat remote area with lots of bush versus various lakes, I think I would choose the relatively slow glide into the trees for a hoped for cushioning effect. Make sure the master switch is off to lessen the chance of a spark igniting fuel.
The picture in this article reinforced my view of avaiding water.
http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/ta ... i_16548845
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Re: GA aircraft down near Walkerton Ont in Lake Rosalind . .
Looking at all the open fields around Lake Rosalind, one gets the feeling this pilot didn't have the opportunity to choose.
