More Evidence the Gun Registry is Working!

[Hedley]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/12/02 ... e-library/

As a taxpayer, I'm really glad about that $2B. Yup, money spent wisely.

[2R]

Get the shirt:
http://www.infowarsshop.com/Mass-Murder ... p_140.html
Wear it and smile

[BibleMonkey]

If the Head Librarian had a handgun, she could have popped the crossbow killer on his way in.

'course...library..



-she'd need a silencer...

[scm]

I always thought the gun registry was for repossession of firearms when we become annexed.

[Expat]

I can see a new game coming for your smart phone. Crossbow hunt in the library. See how many kills you can do...

[Adam Oke]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/12/02 ... e-library/

As a taxpayer, I'm really glad about that $2B. Yup, money spent wisely.

You do realise that crossbows are not registered, nor are they considered a firearm, right? You don't even need a PAL to purchase one. So in this case, your reference to the article isn't even relevant. Unless it was tuned over 500fps, in which case you would be right. The majority of the market is all under 500fps for obvious marketing reasons.

Don't get me wrong though, I am all for scrapping the registry.

[Shiny Side Up]

You do realise that crossbows are not registered, nor are they considered a firearm, right? You don't even need a PAL to purchase one.

Actually you do need a PAL/FAC to purchase a crossbow, but as of yet there is no requirement to register them.

Hedley's point with the article though is one of the big arguements against gun registration in that people will simply flind other ways to kill other people. This arguement has been borne out through history. In both medeval Japan and China it was unlawful for the peasant class to carry swords (Japan) or bladed weapons (China) which spawned the creation of a variety of other deadly weapons, most of the forms of lethal hand to hand combat, and, well guns, until those were banned too.

If one is reasonably handy, its also not too hard to manufacture a variety of projectile weapons, from bows and crossbows, to potato guns, zip guns and other explosive powered lethal items. Human ingenuety, it has been often said, is inexaustible when it comes to killing one another.

[Adam Oke]

Actually you do need a PAL/FAC to purchase a crossbow, but as of yet there is no requirement to register them.

My interpretation is that a PAL is not necessary. It is still not considered a firearm with respect to the Firearms Act or the Criminal Code. However, it certainly will be considered a weapon, much like a pen can be considered a weapon.

Ref: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/lic-per-eng.htm

Q. Do the licensing and registration requirements apply to bows?

Crossbows that can be aimed and fired with one hand and crossbows with an overall length of 500 mm (about 19.68 inches) or less are prohibited. Individuals cannot lawfully possess a prohibited crossbow. Licensed businesses may possess prohibited crossbows for a purpose set out in section 22 of the Firearms Licence Regulations for businesses.

Businesses and individuals do not need a licence or registration certificate under the Firearms Act to possess other types of bows, including crossbows that are longer than 500 mm and require the use of two hands.

If you plan to use a bow for hunting, you may need a hunting licence and there may be restrictions on the size and type of bow that may be used under provincial hunting regulations. For example, some provinces do not allow crossbows for hunting. For more information, please contact the applicable provincial government department. Information may be available on their web site.

Hedley's point with the article though is one of the big arguements against gun registration in that people will simply flind other ways to kill other people. This arguement has been borne out through history. In both medeval Japan and China it was unlawful for the peasant class to carry swords (Japan) or bladed weapons (China) which spawned the creation of a variety of other deadly weapons, most of the forms of lethal hand to hand combat, and, well guns, until those were banned too.

If one is reasonably handy, its also not too hard to manufacture a variety of projectile weapons, from bows and crossbows, to potato guns, zip guns and other explosive powered lethal items. Human ingenuety, it has been often said, is inexaustible when it comes to killing one another.

Well put, and I couldn't agree more! I was under the impression that Hedley was suggesting Crossbows are registered. Taking a second look at the way you describe Hedley's intent of his post, the case is certainly relevant.

[Shiny Side Up]

My interpretation is that a PAL is not necessary.

Then I can only assume that every sporting goods store I've been to interprets it differently. To purchace one I've always been required to produce my PAL. To date I haven't bothered, no good crossbow sales out there, though its been fun to test a few on the range (to which you also have to produce it) Unlike trying the various types of Longbows, Composites or Compounds. Not a hunter, being raised in Alberta I can just enjoy shooting at stuff.

[Hedley]

people will simply find other ways to kill other people

Thank you. At the risk of being trite, guns by themselves aren't dangerous. People are dangerous.

Timothy McVeigh killed more people (168) with fertilizer than any single armed mass-murderer in the last 100 years: Marc Lepine (14), Virginia Tech (32), Fort Hood (13), etc.

It's disappointing how few people are interested in the facts, and instead respond with knee-jerk emotion from phallic imagery and hollywood myths. And end up blowing $2B of the taxpayer's money.

[5x5]

And end up blowing $2B of the taxpayer's money.

Hey, software developers need to make a living too, you know!

[looproll]

Two billion dollars. $2 000 000 000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's my money! That's your money!! Damnit! Keeps CGI busy though!! Read and weep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Firearms_Registry

Computer supplier CGI has $36M deal and 15-year option

Tim Naumetz
The Ottawa Citizen

Wednesday, January 15, 2003

A leading information technology firm that won the lion's share of a $36-million contract last year to build new computer systems for the federal firearms registry had donated a total of $27,000 to the Liberal party over the previous two years.

CGI Group of Montreal won the nine-month contract to develop the computer system and programming in partnership with another company, BDP Business Data Services, which is developing the business process functions of the controversial firearms licensing and registry system.

Upon completion of the development phase of the contract and acceptance of the systems by the Canadian Firearms Centre, the two firms stand to extend their contract by 15 years to operate and maintain the registry and licensing program on behalf of the centre.

Although a government spokesman said no value has been placed on the extended contract, industry sources say the price tag is expected to be $14 million a year over the term of the contract. CGI's share of the initial contract is $31 million, while BDP gets $4.7 million.

The new computer system, a vast network of hardware and programming that will contain millions of bits of information on at least two million firearms owners and more than six million handguns, restricted weapons, rifles and shotguns, is being acquired to replace the firearm centre's original computer network.

The original system, which had already cost taxpayers $227 million to develop and maintain prior to the CGI contract, virtually collapsed under the weight of more than 1,000 technological changes and design failures as the firearms program was being implemented.

Despite allegations from Canadian Alliance MP Garry Breitkreuz that the CGI contract fails the "smell test," a spokeswoman for the firm said yesterday the donations to the governing party had nothing to do with the contract it won in competition against four other bids.

"There is absolutely no correlation," said Eileen Murphy, CGI's director of media relations.

Ms. Murphy explained the firm last year instituted a policy of donating across the political spectrum to all political parties after having donated only to the Liberal party at the federal level in 2000, an election year, and 2001.

The company has added a public affairs office to its executive suite, which recommended the change to political donations practices because "we're growing, we're gaining recognition around the world," said Ms. Murphy.

She noted the firm had contracted computer technology services to the federal government for "years and years" before the firearms program contract. CGI, which bills itself as the largest independent technology company in Canada and fourth largest in North America, has a total of more than $290 million worth of federal contracts listed on the Public Works Department Web site. It runs the 911 emergency telephone network in Montreal and developed Air Canada's Internet reservation system.

The firm gave $16,003 to the federal Liberals in 2000 and donated $11,312.45 to the party in 2001.

The amounts pale in comparison to larger corporate donations.

In 2001, Bombardier Inc. of Montreal was the largest donor to the Liberal party, handing over $142,503.80.

Mr. Breitkreuz said no company that contracts regularly with the federal government should donate large amounts to the governing party.

"It doesn't pass the smell test," he said of the CGI contract. "Someone getting contracts from the government and then giving back donations, that clearly is a violation of the trust that Canadians put in government."

[shitdisturber]

TORONTO - An Ottawa man is accused of killing his father with a crossbow in a Toronto library. Here are some past crossbow incidents in Canada:

— In July, a Mission, B.C., father was charged with attacking his son who was shot in the forearm with a crossbow.

— In November 2007, a 26-year-old man was charged with murder and attempted murder after his mother was killed and father was injured by a crossbow in St-Cesaire, Que.

— In October 2002, a dairy farmer was shot in the back and injured with a crossbow in St.-Bonaventure.

— In August 1998, a man asleep in his home was shot in the head and injured by a man who fired a crossbow.

— In 1998, Edward Stuart Walker shot a pregnant Stephanie Celestine Thomas with a crossbow, then stabbed her 46 times in Central Saanich on Vancouver Island.

— In September 1994, Yvon Gosselin was driven to a gravel pit near Terrace, B.C., where he was killed with two bolts from a crossbow.

— In May 1995, a man armed with a crossbow entered the Winnipeg Convention Centre shortly before then prime minister Jean Chretien arrived to deliver a speech. The suspect was arrested.

— In January 1993, B.C. Institute of Technology student Silvia Leung, 22, bled to death in the campus parking lot in Burnaby after being hit in the shoulder by a crossbow.

— In November 1991, Ottawa lawyer Patricia Allen was killed with a crossbow by her estranged husband Colin McGregor.

There's no doubt about it, we need to spend another two billion dollars on a crossbow registry.

[crazy_aviator]

the trust that Canadians put in government

." ,,,,,,,,let me have what this person is smoking !!!!!

[CLguy]

Shiny Side Up you do not require a PAL to purchase a crossbow. Not sure where you are shopping but I own 2 and have never had to show a PAL. One came right from the crossbow manufacturer. I also hunt with 3 guys who also own crossbows all purchased at different places and not one has had to produce a PAL. Like was mentioned earlier a crossbow is not a firearm but it is a deadly piece of equipment.

[CLguy]

I should also mention that crossbows with a shorter stock length, can't remember the number and hand held ones are already considered restricted weapons in Canada. Only the shoulder held ones that are fired like a rifle are legal.

[rigpiggy]

look above useable with one hand or less than 500mm in length is prohibited, like submachine guns, etc......

[crazy_aviator]

i can see it now, restrictions on fertilizer purchases by farmers an outright ban on fertilizer by all others + warning labels on the fertilizer that it can be used to produce death and dismemberment !!!

[albertdesalvo]

One came right from the crossbow manufacturer.

Curious about this. Was it a Canadian manufacturer? Did the bow have to go through customs?

[CLguy]

Yes it came from a Canadian Manufacturer but I also checked with customs about bringing one in from the states and it was them who told me about the prohibited ones. If it is legal in Canada then no problem bringing it thru customs.

[Finnegan]

I'm still waiting to be arrested for not renewing my gun registry, according to the letter I got from the huge white elephant department. It was the first I had heard about the need to send more money. I would have thought that registering once would be enough. One way to avoid having to renew, again according to the letter, is to sell your guns out of the country. International arms dealer has never been one of my dream career choices...

[albertdesalvo]

Thanks CLg, I have learned something here. I (and I think a lot of others) have believed for many years that all crossbows were restricted weapons in Canada. I used to have a cheap one and we had a lot of fun with it, but I got rid of it when they made them illegal (or so I thought). Turns out my bow was perfectly legal.

I'm kinda spooked about this incident, BTW. I lived about 1km from that library for 20 years and spent many, many hours there. I can't imagine the horror this guy created. The place is full of schoolkids at that hour.

People bent on homicide cannot be stopped by any kind of legislation. That is the sad truth of the matter.

[CLguy]

Your right about the legislation! It has been said many times that weapons don't kill people, people kill people so if someone has the desire not even a billion dollar gun registry can prevent it.

Hope your not having to many sleepless nights. I guess this incident is a lesson for us all, don't piss off your kids!!!

[Shiny Side Up]

Shiny Side Up you do not require a PAL to purchase a crossbow. Not sure where you are shopping but I own 2 and have never had to show a PAL.

Like I said, I assumed that it was the particular store's policy, not binding legislation. The one I remember off hand was Russel Sports in Calgary.

[Posthumane]

i can see it now, restrictions on fertilizer purchases by farmers an outright ban on fertilizer by all others + warning labels on the fertilizer that it can be used to produce death and dismemberment !!!

Hate to point this out, but something like this has already happened in many places (minus the warning labels). I'm not sure about the current status in Canada, but I'm pretty sure you can't buy pure Ammonium Nitrate as fertilizer or anything else unless you have some proof that you are a farmer or otherwise have a legitimate use for it. I believe Urea is less controlled as it is more difficult to use for nefarious purposes.