N262Y Citation 550 II over runs into Croatan Sound, NC . . .

[bizjets101]

A Citation 550 landing in heavy rain, landing at Dare County Regional Airport in Mateo, North Carolina - on Roanoke Island, ended up in the water in Croatan Sound. Five of the seven persons on board were transported to a local hospital but none of the injured were serious. Oct 1/10.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N262 ... /KTPA/KMQI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIHeGM5PV1c

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In case you've never seen this video, here is a CJ going off the runway
into the water in New Jersey; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V06LBgfuxgA

http://aviation-safety.net/database/rec ... 20050515-0

[crazy_aviator]

HOW is it possible that a pilot could be SOO stupid ?

[jakfrost]

SOOO Stupid?? Easy there big guy...I was sitting in the left seat watching the end of the runway coming up...it was very quiet, the engines having been shut down as we slid past mid field with the realization that there was absolutely NOTHING further we could do to stop the A/C. We went off the end, into the sand at about 15 knots, collapsing the nose gear. All 5 pass and 2 crew were safe and secure. Not so for the unfortunate passengers and crew on more than one Citation 500 who without T/R's and zero braking decided to initiate a go-around and ended up in the lights at a horrific rate of knots, killing all in the ensuing fire ball.

Subsequent investigation in my case showed a touchdown point 800' from the threshold of a 6,000' runway on a 1-2" of wet snow. The anti-skid system never allowed wheel spin up and consequently 'released' the brake pressure throughout the entire roll out. No brakes. We had done our calculations prior to landing and determined the distance req'd, ( 3,356 ), from the data available at the time was more than adequate.

The British had data unavailable to us at the time which indicated their investigations to incidents involving CAA registered A/C under similar circumstances showed an additional 200% of runway was required for landing on snow covered runways at -3 to + 2 degrees C.

I expected the worst in the subsequent board review but was praised for not having succumbed to the ( tremendous..) urge to 'pour the coals to it' and get the heck out of there...but for having followed the company SOP's, which stated that once the wheels touch the runway you are committed to the landing.

Still learning after 30 years,
jak

[NovaBoy]

If the brakes on the 550 are anything like the 560, they suck on anything other than dry pavement. I landed a 560 on 06 in CYQM in heavy rain one day and we used up almost all of it, with touchdown in the first 1000ft. There's a 7 sec lockout on the TR's after touchdown which doesn't help either.

Lucky no one was killed.

[CorpPilot]

If the brakes on the 550 are anything like the 560, they suck on anything other than dry pavement. I landed a 560 on 06 in CYQM in heavy rain one day and we used up almost all of it, with touchdown in the first 1000ft. There's a 7 sec lockout on the TR's after touchdown which doesn't help either.

Lucky no one was killed.

The brakes are quite effective on the C550 Bravo.... As far as I know, they are identical systems.... The 7 second "lockout" is a urban myth that FSI likes to put out there to scare. From experience... (4 years on the Bravo), the aircraft has a few seconds like any system out there that is clam shell and is deploying... Id say 2-3 seconds max before the release is unlocked to grab some reverse.

I have also very recently flown into that airport with the C550 for the first time a few weeks ago in the dark and was not much to worry in C550. The runway isnt long... but is plenty for the aircraft. I wouldnt point fingers, but it is safe to assume there were many factors in play to make a C550 go off the end...


CP

[bizjets101]

I believe crazy_aviator was responding to the YouTube video of the CJ going off at Bader,
as opposed to the C550 in heavy rain at Mateo.

Findings in the CJ over run; YouTube Video CJ over run

The CitationJet departed Burlington (BTV) around 14:45 on a routine flight to Atlantic City (AIY). The pilot first made a low pass down runway 29 and then return to land on runway 11. After touchdown the airplane failed to stop and overran the runway and into the Intercoastal Waterway. The occupants were rescued by a boat.
According to the Cessna 525A Landing Distance Chart, an airplane with a landing weight of 11,000 pounds required 2,930 feet of landing distance, in a no wind situation. With a 10 knot tailwind, which was the approx wind at the time of the accident, the airplane required 3,500 feet of landing distance. Runway 11 at Bader Field is a 2,948 foot-long, 100 foot-wide, asphalt runway. Bader Field is normally closed to jet traffic.

PROBABLE CAUSE: "The pilot's improper decision to plan a flight to a runway of insufficient length, his improper in-flight decision to land on that inadequate runway with a tailwind, and his failure to obtain the proper touchdown point. A factor in the accident was the tailwind condition."

[bizjets101]

Just a note for any Citation drivers, a good forum for everything Citation is
Mike Klasing's 'Cessna Citation Forum'.

Click Here anyone can browse the forum and it's free to register if you want to post anything.

[icantfly]

Just think when you land your Citation.
Extend the Speed Brakes.
Drop the nose.
Apply the brakes, with anti skid.
Deploy FULL thrust reverse (92-94%)
They wouldn't put the 85% switch on the TR's would they.
Look out the window at your speed brakes.
Enjoy the ride.

Do not try this on a wet or snow covered runway unless you want to make the next series of JackAss.

[crazy_aviator]

Thanks bizjet, yes i was responding to another accident, not yours, sorry about that jakfrost