WASAYA 208

[brooks]

As a 100% First Nation owned organization, it is the policy of Wasaya to hire the most qualified candidate for the position, but to give preference to First Nation candidates, especially those from our owner communities.
Please note, only those selected for an interview will be contacted.
Thank-you.

What kind of racist bullshit is this? If I put "preference will be given to white people" that would sure stir the pot eh. So stupid.

thoughts?

[vmc_demo]

just shows you how fucking stupid of a place wasaya is to work

[Bushav8er]

And "Group 1" instrument rating for the 208. As soon as you finish your ppc they'll have the pleasure of writing over your (perhaps fresh) Grp 1 to 3, which is what's really required.

[Lost Lake]

There seemed to be some Wasaya bashing awhile back. I would be interested in any informative information like: Rotations, wages, general working conditions in either Red or Pickle. Preferably from recent or current Wasaya pilots
How come they are not promoting a rampy for these positions, or, if they have FO`s, why are they not being upgraded

[Doc]

There seemed to be some Wasaya bashing awhile back. I would be interested in any informative information like: Rotations, wages, general working conditions in either Red or Pickle. Preferably from recent or current Wasaya pilots
How come they are not promoting a rampy for these positions, or, if they have FO`s, why are they not being upgraded

Sometimes a company requires experienced pilots. A big problem with pilots as ramp rats, is quite simply, they get zero experience as pilots. An FO on a Caravan is basically a swamper (say what you like, they are baggage) and you just can't always just "slide" them over. This, and there may not be any FO's who have good credit ratings or rich parents.

Been there, have a few hats left over. The wages aren't bad. The working conditions (ie. the airplanes, and the pilots) are descent. Can't help you with the "rotations", but I will say this. Don't just walk into this company with your eyes closed, thinking they will look after your best interests. Make the "deal" upfront, and stick to it. The pilots are all pretty good sorts. The management? Not so great. Keep your head down and be invisible.

Trying to tell it like it is, kids.

Oh, one little tidbit they left out of their ad. Bring a cheque book to the interview. Or 10K of mommy and daddy's money. Wasaya wants money. Up front. Training costs, don't you know? Frankly, I think this practice is unfair. But young pilots are dumb enough to go along with it, so if you want to work there (have you been paying attention?) you have to bring money to the table. A demonstration of your decision making skills in my book would be a U-turn at this point.

[Doc]

wasaya fucking sucks

thats all you need to know

they fly ONLY in the bush, and never get hired at westjet or air canada

wasaya fucking sucks

You eat with that mouth? You kiss your boyfriend with that mouth?

[pilotsteve]

Employment of aboriginal peoples
7. Notwithstanding any other provision of this Act, where a private sector employer is engaged primarily in promoting or serving the interests of aboriginal peoples, the employer may give preference in employment to aboriginal peoples or employ only aboriginal peoples, unless that preference or employment would constitute a discriminatory practice under the Canadian Human Rights Act.

Straight from the Employment Equity Act: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/E-5.401/p ... l_I-gb:s_5

The purpose of this Act is to achieve equality in the workplace so that no person shall be denied employment opportunities or benefits for reasons unrelated to ability and, in the fulfillment of that goal, to correct the conditions of disadvantage in employment experienced by women, aboriginal peoples, persons with disabilities and members of visible minorities by giving effect to the principle that employment equity means more than treating persons in the same way but also requires special measures and the accommodation of differences.[3]

[paddy]

Further to the above:

From the Charter:

Equality Rights

Equality before and under law and equal protection and benefit of law

15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
Affirmative action programs

(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.(84)

[Brown Bear]

I guess that makes it Okay then? Not in my book.

[DHCdriver]

Just to let everybody know DHCdriver is hiring WHITE ONLY float drivers this summer.

[Cap'n P8]

wasaya fucking sucks

thats all you need to know

they fly ONLY in the bush, and never get hired at westjet or air canada

wasaya fucking sucks

Wow, that's news to me...seeing as I know lot's of former coworkers from Wasaya working at both of those companies. By the way, if you can successfully and safely fly in the bush, flying ILS to ILS is a cake-walk.

[RVgrin]

Am I missing something? What's the big deal here?
Would it be wrong for a federal gov't program to give preference to Canadian applicants?
Or an Ontario province-owned company to give priority to people from Ontario?
Or for a municipal school system to give priority to students who live within city limits?
Why should this organization (owned and funded by a certain community) not give preference to its constituents?

[vmc_demo]

ok @#$!

nobody has gone DIRECT from wasaya fuckways to mainline OR westjet

are there wasaya pilots working there? yes after going to jazz....etc first

wasaya fucking sucks, you get no real world IFR

[SmokinJoe]

There seemed to be some Wasaya bashing awhile back. I would be interested in any informative information like: Rotations, wages, general working conditions in either Red or Pickle. Preferably from recent or current Wasaya pilots
How come they are not promoting a rampy for these positions, or, if they have FO`s, why are they not being upgraded

33g a year, gross, plus over time. 20 on 10 0ff. Move to red lake if based there. Will rotate out of pickle if based there, or live there, your choice, same sched 20 on 10 off. Ops spec says you are vfr in uncontrolled airspace at 300ft/1 sm so if you can get a speci to leave the zone, expect a call from the chief pilot to get going. Expect in yrl to make minimums, pickle lake you can get more overtime. Load/Unload your plane by your self up north, install seats/remove seats by your self up north. 20 on 10 off does not mean 20 days in a row on and 10 days off in a row. They make your days on and days off as they see fit. Caravans there are not certified for flight in known icing. So IFR in the winter is just about out of the question, how you are supposed to stay current is beyond me. Mngt does not like to see you file IFR, cuts down on the load. Take what you will and go from there.

[Doc]

ok @#$!

nobody has gone DIRECT from wasaya fuckways to mainline OR westjet

are there wasaya pilots working there? yes after going to jazz....etc first

wasaya fucking sucks, you get no real world IFR

Gawd knows I'll bash Wasaya with the best of them, but your posts make YOU look the fool, not Wasaya.
You really should do some research...I can name TWO pilots who went from Wasaya to WestJet. That's just "off the cuff". And, come on. Seriously grow up with the language. Once in a blue moon (like you'd know what a "blue moon" is) tossing in the "F" word to get a point across makes sense, but you over do it just a wee bit????
Mods....can you clean this up a bit???

[Cap'n P8]

ok @#$!

nobody has gone DIRECT from wasaya fuckways to mainline OR westjet

are there wasaya pilots working there? yes after going to jazz....etc first

wasaya fucking sucks, you get no real world IFR

And your point would be? You know what, I remember some of your initial posts on Avcanada, they were real gems too, have at 'er.

[B-rad]

As a 100% White owned organization, it is the policy of Our Company to hire White candidates, especially those from our own communities, but to give consideration to the most qualified candidate for the position,
Please note, unless you're white you won't be contacted.
Thank-you.


ya just as to read it turned around.. I guess I can twist a little bit of racism out of it.

[TITAN]

Well I'm with most of you on this , it does seem a bit racist but at the same time there is nothing wrong with trying to hire local guys that are actually from those communities, and i bet that they are all native the locals.
India , china, and so on were hiring outsiders for years to fly their airlines, but they decided to send their natives to the Americas for flight training so they can eliminate this and hire their own.
most people who get a job up north ar obviously in and out the first chance they get, while a local native might stay for good.
just trying to see both sides of it guys.....

[tsgas]

Racism breeds futher racism. When society can promote hatred and racism nobody wins.

[Frank Gallagher]

ok @#$!

nobody has gone DIRECT from wasaya fuckways to mainline OR westjet

are there wasaya pilots working there? yes after going to jazz....etc first

wasaya fucking sucks, you get no real world IFR

Gawd knows I'll bash Wasaya with the best of them, but your posts make YOU look the fool, not Wasaya.
You really should do some research...I can name TWO pilots who went from Wasaya to WestJet. That's just "off the cuff". And, come on. Seriously grow up with the language. Once in a blue moon (like you'd know what a "blue moon" is) tossing in the "F" word to get a point across makes sense, but you over do it just a wee bit????
Mods....can you clean this up a bit???

Two full moons in a month isn't it?

[polar one]

Just to let everybody know DHCdriver is hiring WHITE ONLY float drivers this summer.

YES!!!!!!!!YES!!!!! I am so there....and you didnt even mention that I had to be qualified, competent, or bilingual. I like that policy. Dont ruin it for me now.

Just remember, that racism breeds racism, which as I understand it, means dont do what we do as that would not be fair. Yep. If your native owned you should give preference to natives..I am all for that..But it seems to me if your non native owned, it would be just as fair to give preference to non-natives... Quite a radical thought, I suspect, and one that would bring the wrath of the, as long as it benefits us, politically correct crowd.

Good luck DHC driver.. Seriously, you have my admiration for speaking out.

[RVgrin]

Good luck DHC driver.. Seriously, you have my admiration for speaking out.

Not mine. Do you guys seriously not see the difference between a minority group supporting its community and members of a privileged majority advocating excluding people on the basis of skin colour? You should be ashamed of yourselves. Yours is not the Canada so many brave soldiers fought and died for.

[Lost Lake]

Good luck DHC driver.. Seriously, you have my admiration for speaking out.

Not mine. Do you guys seriously not see the difference between a minority group supporting its community and members of a privileged majority advocating excluding people on the basis of skin colour? You should be ashamed of yourselves. Yours is not the Canada so many brave soldiers fought and died for.

(Hijack) You are correct RVgrin. This is now a country populated by mainly non aboriginals, but dictated to by the aboriginals. Governments are afraid to call a spade a spade. All citizens in Canada are equal under the charter. How is it then, that mining and logging companies, just to name a few industries, who wish to expand and therefore keep the resource based Canadian economy going, have to jump through hoops with native groups who do not use the resources in these specific non populated areas any more than any other group.

The best part in some of these cases,is that the natives who are complaining are not the original residents either, and in some cases used force to usurp the occupying native group after the original treaties were signed. We will never abolish racism, but maybe we can use common sense in dealing with groups. I am just as much a native of Canada as any other group, and I expect to be treated as equally. I own the forest and rivers as much as any other group. I respect but don't necessarily understand that the natives desire to live in remote unaccessible areas and as such as they wish be left alone. But people should understand that they have no more ownership of unowned, un populated lands than any other Canadian. (End of Hijack)

[DHCdriver]

Just so everybody knows. My comment was in no way intended to be racist. My apologizes to anyone who took it that way. I just found it funny,especially in this day and age that some company would post that. If that is what the company wishes to do then keep it internal.
Keep the blue side up. Happy Flying.

[mcrit]

Employment of aboriginal peoples
7. Notwithstanding any ..........

snip for bandwidth

accommodation of differences.[3]

The law has, at various times, said that women were property, aboriginals were not people, and that a black man was worth two thirds of a white man. Don't look to the law, or lawyers (and by extension politicians) for guidance on what is right or wrong.