Most important type of flying in aviation?

[Beefitarian]

There would be three main reasons in my opinion pilots aspire to be an airline Captain.

1- The pay is on the higher end of the scale plus you get to ride in and land an airplane at work.
2- The schedule is fairly predictable plus you get to ride in and land an airplane at work.
3- People think you have one of the 50 best carriers for 2011 plus you get to ride in and land an airplane at work.

[Hedley]

I hope none of my kids try to go airline. I'd be pretty disappointed.

[MrWings]

The most important lessons I learned in aviation were on my own. I am thankful that no major damage was done in the process.

This goes with any kind of instruction. You can have the wisest teacher saying all the right things. But you really don't learn until you try it yourself.

I think they call it life.

[Doc]

Okay, I'll tee this one up.

The MOST important type of flying in the industry, is the flying you're doing "right now". To your customers, family and friends, as well as your employer (provided you have one) today's flight is THE most important flight ever flown. I'd like you to keep this in mind next time you go aloft in your plane. Be it a 777 or a Citabria. To defeat gravity, with safety and elegance.
We couldn't do this without good instructors, without good airline pilots, without good bush pilots, without good Private pilots. They're all important folks.

[Beefitarian]

I like that angle Doc.

I read on here someone's comment about the idea that a medivac isn't too important to cancel. I didn't love the way it was worded though I totally agree with what I think was the intent.

A medivac is a super important flight, and like all flights it's so important that I would want to see everyone involved do everything they could to make it safe right up until the plane is vacated and cooling down.

[MichaelP]

The most important type of flying is that which leads to the safe completion of a mission through the employment of good (learned) skills and the practice of good PDM.

If the completion of such a mission also leads you to having a smile on your face that is the cherry on top.

Have a safe and enjoyable 2011, enjoy your flying because it is all important.

[Cat Driver]

When I started this I was alluding to the kind of flying one does....

My personal opinion is flight training.

To be a top notch teacher of flying is the highest aspiration a pilot can have.

It goes without saying that every flight must be done with due regard to safety.

So......my opinion is teaching flying is the highest one can aspire to for the simple reason that without proper instruction it is difficult to learn all on your own.

[Beefitarian]

Kind of you're right but teaching is a seperate skill in my opinion to flying. I agree totally that if you're cut out for it and have experience you'll be a better teacher. I also like your concept of trying to incourage people to aspire to teaching, the idea that you would be able to make a living doing it and support a family is nice too, however...

What if you really are an excellent and or experienced pilot but have no personality and therefore can't teach because you nearly have an ulcer or aneurysm everytime someone doesn't instantly understand a simple concept? Or you can't explain things, you just know them well, teach anyway?

I have had instructors that must have been reasonably decent pilots to get the ratings but knowing what's going on and being able to help me learn? Nope, granted that may have partially been due to lack of experience but there's going to be plenty of people that can never instruct.

[Cat Driver]

O.K:

Let me try again.

If there was no requirement to hold a FTU and we could teach based on our skills as a flying instructors ones success would be determined by reputation.

The second level of quality assurance would be independent check pilots who issue licenses and ratings based on flight checks and knowledge checks.

Not some knuckle dragger from TC who has zero accountability an can rule by fear backed up by the system.

I had to leave Canada to earn a good living teaching because the system is corrupt in this country.

I am quite open as to my true identity and have never needed anonymity to post my thoughts.

Now do you get it?

[Chuck Ellsworth]

Here is my real name and the same post.

O.K:

Let me try again.

If there was no requirement to hold a FTU and we could teach based on our skills as a flying instructors ones success would be determined by reputation.

The second level of quality assurance would be independent check pilots who issue licenses and ratings based on flight checks and knowledge checks.

Not some knuckle dragger from TC who has zero accountability an can rule by fear backed up by the system.

I had to leave Canada to earn a good living teaching because the system is corrupt in this country.

I am quite open as to my true identity and have never needed anonymity to post my thoughts.

Now do you get it?

[Beefitarian]

O.K:

Let me try again.

If there was no requirement to hold a FTU and we could teach based on our skills as a flying instructors ones success would be determined by reputation.

The second level of quality assurance would be independent check pilots who issue licenses and ratings based on flight checks and knowledge checks.

Not some knuckle dragger from TC who has zero accountability an can rule by fear backed up by the system.

I agree with you. I'm eutopic also.
Those three seem obvious. Kind of like, "I wish I had $7 billion dollars. I'd be rich!"

I had to leave Canada to earn a good living teaching because the system is corrupt in this country.

That one is unfourtunate and can be extended to things like, it sucks that the media causes public opinion to turn against unions to the point where people that could benifit from them (flight instructors for example) think they are bad and the Canadian health care system has become cost driven instead of being one of the best on the planet.

I am quite open as to my true identity and have never needed anonymity to post my thoughts.

Now do you get it?

Um, I'm not sure.

[Beefitarian]

I'm not trying to be negative. Text doesn't convey mood well.

When I was a kid my dad taught me alot of things mechanical. At the time I didn't realise it because I just thought he was being mean. Now when we do things together like build a fence or move a shed I find myself talking to him the way he used to talk to me. My wife thinks I'm mean to him.

[Cat Driver]

That one is unfourtunate and can be extended to things like, it sucks that the media causes public opinion to turn against unions to the point where people that could benifit from them (flight instructors for example) think they are bad and the Canadian health care system has become cost driven instead of being one of the best on the planet

Are you comparing Canadian flight instruction and the Canadian health care system to the rest of the world and you think they are two of the best in the world?

I happen to have some real hands on experience with both of these groups and do not agree with you.

By the way my leaving Canada was due to TC forcing me out of the flying business, so to earn a living flying I had no choice.

You are new to this forum and to save us going any further please go back a few years in my posts and you will learn all you need to know about me and T.C and we can go back to discussing flight training.

[MichaelP]

Instruction

The most experienced pilots don't always make good instructors.
Good instructors that were are not necessarily good instructors when they return many years later.

[Beefitarian]

Are you comparing Canadian flight instruction and the Canadian health care system to the rest of the world and you think they are two of the best in the world?

No.

I think the Canadian health care system and flight instruction SHOULD be among the best in the world. Sorry I can't write things in a manner that comunicates what I mean.

In my opinion during the 1970s the health care system (and maybe I'm narrowing my point of veiw on that to my city) was excellent for it's time, the general attitude leaned toward compasion and healing. Now the technology is far better. They can do surgery's that were only a dream back then. The problem is that everything is run based more on lowering costs instead of an honest desire to help people get healthy. Why didn't care get better along with the technology?

People today in North America seem to care less about pretty much everything that is not getting them the newest smart phone with cool apps or making them money. Most don't even want the best of anything, they want good enough for less expensive.

Text is a poor way to have a discussion.

I agree with your concepts on improving flight training. So much so I wish I could afford to open a flying school and do what you're saying. Unfourtunatly as you mentioned it would never be profitable because of the requierments to sustain and operate a FTU.

I'm certain though a person could hire the best flight instructor ever with a brand new plane, offer that training at below cost and even if everyone knew with out a doubt that school was the best, far too many people would choose to go to Wal-mart to take lessons on a fifty year old plane that's barely airworthy with a known bad instructor to save a couple of bucks. Most think, "I'll get the same license for less money. I can learn from the experienced guys later on the job."

I believe there are many problems caused by over valued "certifications" and under valued qualifications. What can be done about it?

You are new to this forum and to save us going any further please go back a few years in my posts and you will learn all you need to know about me and T.C and we can go back to discussing flight training.

If I go back and read everything you wrote then blab comments that further upset you, it still won't be a discussion.

[Cat Driver]

Michael you make very valid points.

But in the final analysis one must be fairly rewarded for their time to retain the desire to teach.

With a high wage demand comes the responsibility to do ones best when teaching every flight.

The final issue that will determine your worth as a freelance teacher is referrals and no lack of students willing to pay to learn from you.

That position is not easy to reach.

[Cat Driver]

If I go back and read everything you wrote then blab comments that further upset you, it still won't be a discussion.

True.

So let me sum it up very quickly.

I came to Avcanada to expose the corruption at the top of TCCA.

Over a few years I did that very definitively by producing documentation that was valid and obtained by using the legal system to prove my allegations.

I clearly named names and positions of individuals in the top management of TCCA that were found to have violated the very laws they were sworn to uphold.

And therein lies the reason flight training is the way it is in Canada, with systemic corruption at the top how could it be other than the way it is now?

See we are still on topic..even using typing to communicate.

[MichaelP]

There are many many factors that have determined how flying training has changed.
Education has changed...
Life has become serious!

We can tolerate a lot, providing we concentrate on the good stuff we have and there's still a lot of good stuff out there.

[Cat Driver]

Compliance with the CAR's is difficult.

The way the CAR's were written it is very difficult to determine just what exactly they are saying.

How many here have asked a TC employee for an answer to a specific CAR, then went to another TC employee and got a different opinion?

[Liquid Charlie]

How many here have asked a TC employee for an answer to a specific CAR, then went to another TC employee and got a different opinion?

almost every f'n day

[Cat Driver]

That device looks real small L.C.

Is it comfortable for you?

[Cat Driver]

When I was in Portugal doing some training for an Australian group one of CASA's employees was sent to monitor my course as I was working under a CASA approval and we spent six weeks working together.

He told me about their connection with the Canadian officials who were in Australia giving them advice on how to write their new regulations...his opinion was it was going to be a disaster for both countries......I wonder how it went for them?

[COMETer]

I'm going to speak from personal experience when I say MPIC flying in a twin is the most valuable.

The airplane I fly has gotten my skills as proficient as I ever have been.

[Cat Driver]

COMETer, I understand your comment as to airplane types, however my intent for this discussion was the type of flying one does with an airplane.

For instance if you are flying a multi engine airplane would you rather be fire bombing with it or pushing buttons, twisting knobs and typing into a computer over the ocean for hour after hour.

The search for the better airplane never ends as they all get boring after a while.

[Liquid Charlie]

That device looks real small L.C.

Is it comfortable for you?

Little snug but keeps me out of trouble