Freelance Instruction

[Chaffey]

Just looking for Insurance and Training feedback

I have a friend who owns a Piper Colt and wishes to get his night training done on it. I am a Class 3 Instructor who is able to provide this training.
This will be the first time that I am providing freelance instruction and I want to make sure that I do it right the first time. "Make sure the paper weights as much as the plane"

What kind of things should I need to protect myself in regards to insurance? What kind of proof should I request?
and What does TC require so this training can be completed without any complications?

[Hedley]

Different questions.

WRT Transport ... all you need is valid liability insurance. Check that the owner's insurance covers you as PIC. Most policies like instructors.

WRT protecting yourself ... good question. If the aircraft is wrecked with you in it, is there hull-in-motion insurance for the owner? If so, will the owner's insurance company sue you (personally or your insurance company) to recoup their losses? If not, will the owner sue you (personally or your insurance company) to make good his losses?

Then there is the age-old question of liability tail. Let's say the pilot crashes at night 2 years after you finish training him. Do you have any exposure?

All very good questions.

[Pirate Pilot]

You are going to have to investigate the situation and sort out the details for your particular operation. I can tell you that our favorite free-lance flight instructor has been on the insurance contracts as a "named insured" on a complete variety of aircraft at our little airport. Last year it was a 150, 172, our 182 and the year before also the Seneca 11. I don't believe it is such a daunting task as we would just call the insurance co. and ask to have "our instructor" on the insurance contract. He is well known around here and at the insurance agency as well. There was a small additional charge only.

[Chaffey]

Thanks for the help. Someone told me that I might need to get a hold of TC and let them know things like.... Type of A/C, Reg, time period and what type of training was being done prior to starting. Has anyone ever heard of this?

[Big Pistons Forever]

Thanks for the help. Someone told me that I might need to get a hold of TC and let them know things like.... Type of A/C, Reg, time period and what type of training was being done prior to starting. Has anyone ever heard of this?

The reporting requirements for freelance instructors is explicitly covered in Part 4 of the CAR's

[Hedley]

See CAR 406.03(2)(b)(i) below:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... htm#406_03

Requirement to Hold a Flight Training Unit Operator Certificate

406.03

(1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), no person shall operate a flight training service in Canada using an aeroplane or helicopter in Canada unless the person holds a flight training unit operator certificate that authorizes the person to operate the service and complies with the conditions and operations specifications set out in the certificate.

(2) A person who does not hold a flight training unit operator certificate may operate a flight training service if

(b) the trainee is

(i) the owner, or a member of the family of the owner, of the aircraft used for training,

[Chaffey]

Thanks.. thats perfect. Im sure that covers all I needed to know

[Bede]

You need to let TC know if you're doing freelance on an airplane that does not belong to the trainee. (No PPL trg, just IFR, etc)

[Big Pistons Forever]

Thanks.. thats perfect. Im sure that covers all I needed to know

Actually it does not. I am now going to be rude....and I am not going to apologize. Part 4 of the CAR's is the rule set for the type of flying you are earning your living at. Your questions with respect to the regulations governing freelance instructing are covered in the CAR's. As a Class 3 instructor you should not be having to ask on Avcanada you should be looking this stuff up on your own !

[Hedley]

you should be looking this stuff up on your own!

BPF: personally, I agree with you. However, the reality of the situation is that 99.999% of the time, when a pilot has a question, he just asks another pilot, and if the answer seems reasonable, well, that must be the answer.

TC's website - and the CARs - are not exactly well-known for being able to easily find stuff in. In fact, a pilot who can actually find stuff in the CARs is regarded as something of a freak in the pilot community, because it's that unusual a skill.

In the USA, every year various companies publish a handbook of FARs/AIM which many pilots in the USA purchase and thumb through. Not in Canada, where not one even pilot knows CAR 602 and 605, which are the basic aircraft ops and equipment rules. A very different culture. Things are far more obscure and mysterious in Canada, and if you actually know the regulations, precedents and internal policy letters, you are likely viewed as a trouble-making smart-ass for making the effort to do so.

Pop Quiz: How many people here spend any time looking at this?

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... u-2658.htm

Q.E.D.

[Big Pistons Forever]

you should be looking this stuff up on your own!

BPF: personally, I agree with you. However, the reality of the situation is that 99.999% of the time, when a pilot has a question, he just asks another pilot, and if the answer seems reasonable, well, that must be the answer.

TC's website - and the CARs - are not exactly well-known for being able to easily find stuff in. In fact, a pilot who can actually find stuff in the CARs is regarded as something of a freak in the pilot community, because it's that unusual a skill.

In the USA, every year various companies publish a handbook of FARs/AIM which many pilots in the USA purchase and thumb through. Not in Canada, where not one even pilot knows CAR 602 and 605, which are the basic aircraft ops and equipment rules. A very different culture. Things are far more obscure and mysterious in Canada, and if you actually know the regulations, you are likely viewed as a trouble-making smart-ass for doing so.

Sorry Hed I can't agree with you on this one. A Class 3 is a Journeyman Instructor. He/She should IMO be expected to understand the responsibilities that the rating gives to the holder. Part 4 of the CAR's is not that extensive and directly relates to the day to day job of an Instructor. Yes I get the fact that CAR's is not that user friendly but there are lots of crappy days where the flying gets shut down. You could use a small amount of that time to read through CAR's (at a minimum part 4 and 6) You don't have to memorize it you just have to know what's there and approximitely where it is. You can choose to be a professional in your job.....or not.

[Hedley]

I wish the world was that way! Personally I think a class 3 instructor also ought to be able to demonstrate a one-wheel landing in a 15 knot direct crosswind, but ...

[Big Pistons Forever]

I wish the world was that way! Personally I think a class 3 instructor also ought to be able to demonstrate a one-wheel landing in a 15 knot direct crosswind, but ...

All my Class 4 Instructor students can do a pretty decent wing low crosswind landing demo as I give them plenty of opportunities to practice using the out of wind runways when traffic permits, and they will see at least one downwind landing if at all possible. They also will have a pretty decent working knowledge of the CAR's because I give them plenty of homework requiring them to answer regulatory questions like
- Are up to date publications required for day VFR flight ? night VFR flight ?
- Are you permitted to land downwind at a uncontrolled airport ?
- A guy shows up with a Botswana PPL, what does he have to do to convert it to a Canadian PPL ?

The questions will force them to troll through the CAR's so they will see a lot of other stuff enroute to the answer.

[KK7]

Wx days were a lot of fun when I was instructing, mainly because that was the day we could all sit around and socialize together. Inevitably, the discussion would turn into some heated debate about some obscure or even everyday regulation and someone would always have to turn to the CARs to check it out.

Now, this still happens as we chat in the cockpit in cruise and talk about various flying related subjects. For fun we often end up talking about the minor details of rules and procedures and always look things up in the COM, QRH, AFM to confirm we are right, or in the CARs once we get home.

As a result, on bookmark I keep right at the top of my browser is this, and I use it almost on a daily basis:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... s/menu.htm

The TC website can be hard to navigate, but in my opinion, the CARs are very simple to navigate. It's all laid out right there in front of you broken down by parts, subparts and the headings for each reg. It's not like you have to thumb through an entire book or pages of text to find what you're looking for. The titles are all pretty self explanatory.

I suggest for anyone who flies an airplane for a living, or wishes to make a living doing as such, have this link right on their desktop. The only pilots who should be asking questions about where to find regs and about very simple everyday regs should be ab initio students and recreational fliers. I'll accept that there are some obscure hard to find rules in Part VII (Commercial Operations) and Part V (Airworthiness), but otherwise if you are a professional pilot you should man up and look up the regs yourself, especially anything that is found in Part IV (Licencing and Training) and Part VI (General Operating and Flight Rules).

[Hedley]

One fantastic trick I have learned:

Let's say you want to find info about ELT's on transport's web site. Good luck finding it.

However, google to the rescue. Do a site-specific good search by entering this at the
google input bar:

ELT site:www.tc.gc.ca

If you forget the "site:" syntax, no problem, just click on the "Advanced Search"
option and enter http://www.tc.gc.ca into the specific site box.

This what you get:

http://www.google.ca/#sclient=psy&hl=en ... 58c76d519f

Try it and see!

PS Whoever invented google oughta get a Nobel prize. Heck, Yasser Arafat got a Nobel Peace Prize (?!) presumably for "most improved". Even Obama won a Nobel prize, merely for getting elected.

Even gmail, by itself, with the free 8GB online storage and integrated chat, is deserving of a Nobel prize, by itself, IMHO.

[Bushav8er]

you should be looking this stuff up on your own!

BPF: personally, I agree with you. However, the reality of the situation is that 99.999% of the time, when a pilot has a question, he just asks another pilot, and if the answer seems reasonable, well, that must be the answer.

TC's website - and the CARs - are not exactly well-known for being able to easily find stuff in. In fact, a pilot who can actually find stuff in the CARs is regarded as something of a freak in the pilot community, because it's that unusual a skill.

In the USA, every year various companies publish a handbook of FARs/AIM which many pilots in the USA purchase and thumb through. Not in Canada, where not one even pilot knows CAR 602 and 605, which are the basic aircraft ops and equipment rules. A very different culture. Things are far more obscure and mysterious in Canada, and if you actually know the regulations, precedents and internal policy letters, you are likely viewed as a trouble-making smart-ass for making the effort to do so.

Pop Quiz: How many people here spend any time looking at this?

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... u-2658.htm

Q.E.D.

Call me a freak, I've got that bookmarked along with a dozen others like it. C&B Advisory/Policy & Pubs, AWDs, ANs, Service Diff Advise/Alert AOC Op Specs, Type Certificate Search, CARs and CASS - Part VII - Subpart 5 - Guidance Material etc., etc.

I know that paper doesn't make an aircraft fly but using - "I didn't know that" against a charge doesn't work. I wish more pilots took the time to research stuff, at the very least it would help them to figure out the TC mind set of how CARs is laid out (maybe).

[Hedley]

We need to make a list of TC URLs and post them somewhere here!

Sort like the iPod list, here are my essential TC bookmarks:

#1) CARs
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... s/menu.htm

#2) AIM
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/p ... u-3092.htm

#3) Flight Test & Study Guides, plus much more:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/p ... s/menu.htm

#4) aircraft AD search
http://wwwapps3.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/ ... .asp?rand=

#5) aircraft registry
http://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/2/ ... n/menu.asp

#6) CADORs
http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/2/c ... x?lang=eng

[KK7]

We need to make a list of TC URLs and post them somewhere here!

Hedley, your idea is too good and TC has already found a way to destroy it since it is just so good. TC seems to reorganize its site every few months and many of the URLs change. We'll need a full time person to keep all the links up to date!

[Bushav8er]

Hedley, your idea is too good and TC has already found a way to destroy it since it is just so good. TC seems to reorganize its site every few months and many of the URLs change. We'll need a full time person to keep all the links up to date!

True but if you start with ones that work, you'll know what IS available and can search again if they change.

Trying not to duplicate yours Hedley, I'll add:

Ops Specs -
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... nu-272.htm

Aviation Occupational Health & Safety =
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... u-2059.htm

National Aircraft Certification, includes
Airworthiness Directives (AD)
Airworthiness Notices (AN)
Branch Business Plan
National Aircraft Certification - Business Integration Model
National Aircraft Certification - Business Plan 2003-2010
Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs) and Standards
Update on CAR 521
CAR and Standards - Part V Airworthiness
AWM Amendment Status
Airworthiness Manual Advisory (AMA) Index
Guidance and Advisory Materials
Documents Issued After 1 Feb. 2007
Documents Issued Prior to 1 Feb. 2007
International Agreements and Arrangements
Master Minimum Equipment List (MMEL)
Service Difficulty Advisories
Service Difficulty Alerts
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/c ... n/menu.htm

Advisory Circulars -
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... nu-284.htm

Commercial and Business Aviation Policy Letters -
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... nu-381.htm

Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs) and Commercial Air Service Standards (CASS) - Part VII - Subpart 5 - Guidance Material -
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... u-1789.htm

Flight Training (page with links related to) -
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... u-1986.htm

Forms Search -
http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Corp-Serv-Gen/5 ... earch.aspx

Operator List Search (OLS) -
http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/o ... x?lang=eng

System Safety Winter Briefing Kit -
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/p ... u-2092.htm

Type Certificates (aircraft and component) -
http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/2/n ... x?lang=eng

The National Search and Rescue Secretariat (NSS) -
http://www.nss.gc.ca/site/index_e.asp

Transportation of Dangerous Goods (TC - with links) -
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/tdg/safety-menu.htm

From NavCan,
Aeronautical Information Circulars pdf -
http://www.navcanada.ca/ContentDefiniti ... ic_eng.pdf

and for the above,
AIP Canada (ICAO) Supplements pdf -
http://www.navcanada.ca/ContentDefiniti ... up_eng.pdf

Weather Pubs list, includes abbreviations, Local Weather Manuals, others -
http://www.flightplanning.navcanada.ca/ ... c=nonkiosk

[Chaffey]

Thanks for the reply Big Pistons Forever. As we have seen before on this site, people should be looking up cars. But if you look on the original post, I already had a sense of where I wanted this post to go. Asking for guidance and clarification is not a wrong. I dont think its lazy either.

Second - I cant say that I know EVERYTHING about aviation. Sometimes I cant even say that I know where to look everything up if I dont know the answer. I turn to HEDLEY for that! hehehe

[Big Pistons Forever]

Thanks for the reply Big Pistons Forever. As we have seen before on this site, people should be looking up cars. But if you look on the original post, I already had a sense of where I wanted this post to go. Asking for guidance and clarification is not a wrong. I dont think its lazy either.

Second - I cant say that I know EVERYTHING about aviation. Sometimes I cant even say that I know where to look everything up if I dont know the answer. I turn to HEDLEY for that! hehehe

You want me to take you seriously ? Then how about posting "OK here is a paste of all the CAR's I think are relavent, have I missed anything ?"

Instead you chose on your original post, to say the following "What does TC require so this training can be completed without any complications?". To me that basically says " I am just going to get one of the regular Avcanada posters to look up and post the applicable CAR's for me, because I basically don't respect them enough to care about them using their time to do something which I am too lazy to do myself "

[AtlanticTour]

Thanks for the help. Someone told me that I might need to get a hold of TC and let them know things like.... Type of A/C, Reg, time period and what type of training was being done prior to starting. Has anyone ever heard of this?

The reporting requirements for freelance instructors is explicitly covered in Part 4 of the CAR's

The CARs explain it. Read that section to know what you can do.

I know one guy who is a freelancer and is making some good bucks doing it. The right people will pay for quality instructors.

[Hedley]

people will pay for quality instructors

Indeed. Don't try to compete with the "Wal-mart" ab initio instruction - that's a "race to the bottom" commodity service.

Instead, develop a specialty - like tailwheel instruction, or float instruction, or aerobatic instruction or IFR instruction.

Your target market should NOT be some 18 yr old kid who wants to be an airline pilot. I might suggest a better customer is a successful businessman/professional of some sort who owns something like a Bonanza or Mooney and is looking for competent IFR instruction on a retractable.

Wal-mart instruction will earn you maybe $20/hr. Specialized instruction should earn you $50/hr to $100/hr.

[FlightSolutions]

people will pay for quality instructors

Indeed. Don't try to compete with the "Wal-mart" ab initio instruction - that's a "race to the bottom" commodity service.

Instead, develop a specialty - like tailwheel instruction, or float instruction, or aerobatic instruction or IFR instruction.

Your target market should NOT be some 18 yr old kid who wants to be an airline pilot. I might suggest a better customer is a successful businessman/professional of some sort who owns something like a Bonanza or Mooney and is looking for competent IFR instruction on a retractable.

Wal-mart instruction will earn you maybe $20/hr. Specialized instruction should earn you $50/hr to $100/hr.

You're giving away all the secrets.

[Hedley]

Heh - after checking out your website, I can see why you would say that