This might prove to be an interesting thread. I was just curious, as to what type of aircraft, all you brothers and sisters out there fly, or have flown. Personally, I fall into the first category.
Stay cool
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Floaty, back seat or not, it's still experience. The fact that being a backseat driver did'nt workout for me was actually a blessing in disguise. I now have a type rating on a Citation II jet and that alone, has been opening up other doors for me. Meanwhile, guys that were hired same time as me, are still in that back seat. So go ahead and make all the smart ass comments you want. I've put all that far behind me and I'm still moving ahead just the same. If you've got nothing decent to say about people, then.......................Oh never mind, I have to try and be respectful.
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In Museums? CL215's? C'mon man, give you head a shake. I'm sure that operators like ConAir, AirSpray, and even KBA wouldn't be to keen on you referring to parts of their fleets as museum pieces.
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Please don't tell my mother that I work in the Oilpatch...she still thinks that I'm the piano player at a whorehouse.
" I never even thought about those. I figured most of them would be in museums. But I guess we can throw that in there as well. "
It is interesting how few pilots are aware that aircraft were built before the turbine became the engine of choice.
And it would be interesting to give a turbine driver a Beech 18 on wheels and just say , there you go take that for a few circuits and let us know how easy that was to fly.
Of course the problem is nothing more or less than what you have learned on and in todays world we have moved on to aircraft that are far more easy to fly than those museum pieces.
Cat
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Cat Driver wrote: " I never even thought about those. I figured most of them would be in museums. But I guess we can throw that in there as well. "
It is interesting how few pilots are aware that aircraft were built before the turbine became the engine of choice.
And it would be interesting to give a turbine driver a Beech 18 on wheels and just say , there you go take that for a few circuits and let us know how easy that was to fly.
Of course the problem is nothing more or less than what you have learned on and in todays world we have moved on to aircraft that are far more easy to fly than those museum pieces.
Cat
And it would be interesting to put an ol' grey pilot in a turbine and tell him to program the FMS and stay awake for the 10 hour flight. I'm sure the flight attendants can bring you your early bird special. Every generation has its positives...
I don't mind when you toot your horn cat, it makes that delightful "awoooga" sound.
Ride on!
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Last edited by mental vomit on Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:53 am, edited 1 time in total.
For some reason you just can't resist making a complete fool of yourself every chance you get.
"And it would be interesting to put an ol' grey pilot in a turbine and tell him to program the FMS and stay awake for the 10 hour flight. I'm sure the flight attendants can bring you your early bird special. "
The odds are I was flying turbines before you were born.
For decadesI have been flying long haul flights and most without the simplicity of an FMS.
So why don't you let me know your experience level and maybe teach me something about flying?
In otherwords, put up or shut up.
And I guess being old and grey is no more my fault than being a internet idiot is your fault.
Cat
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Cat...he calls himself "mental vomit"...you were expecting, what? Rocket science? Toss him the "keys" to the Beech 18, and see if he can START it. Never mind actually flying the thing. And lets see him find his way across the pond without his FMS.
And MV, most of the guys in the LEFT SEAT on the ten hour legs with the FMS are old grey haired guys.....and THEY can fly a Beech...and program the FMS.
Sure glad I dont have grey hair! Maybe I could fly a Beech? Maybe I could program an FMS? Who knows?
But the turbines are easier. Nose wheels are easier. And you CAN fly anything without an FMS....but you'd need a map...or several maps. And lots of books....and stuff. Maybe an astro-compass...remember those, Cat?
"And lets see him find his way across the pond without his FMS. "
More than likely he has never been over the pond period.
" Maybe an astro-compass...remember those, Cat? "
Maybe M.V. should read the story that I wrote called "Arcturus, missing hours and fate. "
But we both understand the problem with idiots such as M.V., they just have not learned to respect others...and that will determine how far they get if they ever learn to fly an airplane.
Cat
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
It's not your skills that I question, it's the holier than thou attitude in which you choose to showcase them on this board.
I have no problem with you saying that the skill set required to operate old generation aircraft is very different than today. You can say that very easily without putting down the modern approach.
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" You can say that very easily without putting down the modern approach. "
Boy you sure do not have a very good grip on reality.
I am about as up to date as you can get with regard to flying modern aircraft, and based on that I am only pointing out that older technology aircraft require far more mechanical skills to fly....
"I could always go work for transport. Just think of the fun you and I could have then. "
Exactly, I would have the fun of getting you put in some back room where you would not be an irritation to the industry.
However I must admit you seem to have a low enough mentality to make it to the top at TC.
Cat
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Cat Driver wrote:" You can say that very easily without putting down the modern approach. "
Boy you sure do not have a very good grip on reality.
I am about as up to date as you can get with regard to flying modern aircraft, and based on that I am only pointing out that older technology aircraft require far more mechanical skills to fly....
Cat
That's not a very astute observation...and old style lawnmowers take more strength to operate. Is that REALLY all you were trying to say? You keep defending your own skill, like its in question. It's not. It just seems like much of what you say, always ends up having some self serving tone. Even these silly pissing fights with me...I did this...I did that...you never did...you don't know aviation...I do...You couldn't even start a beech 18...
I gained a lot of respect for the old time aviators in my youth, they tought me a lot without always having to interject something about the "good ol' days, and the young one's not having a clue". The good ol' days are great, but you don't need to lay down the high and mighty trip in your posts, people will generally continue to respect you, and your many accomplishments without it.
I am from the RIGHT seat of a B727-200 yes the pilot seat not the baby sitter in the back! just joking! but be aware dude you cant take F/ E hrs
for pilot hrs! Look at big Airline like Cathay they dont take F / E hrs as total experience.!
but now you are really lucky to work for a Place who will never start (Saggas!) haaaa...aviation!
Yeah, I know about that jetpilot. Some places give credit for 50% of backseat time, while others give nothing at all. The idea, is to concentrate on the ones that do. As for Saggas, well I have no idea whats going on at the moment. But they will keep us posted. This does'nt mean I'm out of a job just yet. But at the same time, I'm not putting all my eggs (and I eat lots of eggs!) in one basket. I have some other opportunities that are quite interesting, which I am looking into, one being down in the Caribbean. I've also renewed my British passport and I'm looking into something over there as well.
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