ACE Shakeup?

FlyByWire · Post by **FlyByWire** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:09 am

Just heard through the grapevine that there's been a big shakeup at ACE, like 35 pilots on the street. I was surprised when this didn't hit the fourm 2 minutes after it happened so I'm wondering if anybody has any more info.

TTail · Post by **TTail** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:44 pm

ACE as in All Canada Express the cargo company? (sorry for asking but many are confusing it with Air Canada)

linecrew · Post by **linecrew** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:23 am

ACE Aviation Holding is the holding company for Air Canada. I think that there is in fact confusion between the two:

http://www.cbc.ca/story/business/nation ... 50414.html

prop2jet · Post by **prop2jet** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:44 am

ACE, as in All Canada Express did in fact lay off quite a few pilots on Monday. Sounds like they are attempting a unioin bust. Hopefully the guys can with (CAW) put the screws to the ownership once and for all!

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:51 am

prop2jet wrote:ACE, as in All Canada Express did in fact lay off quite a few pilots on Monday. Sounds like they are attempting a unioin bust. Hopefully the guys can with (CAW) put the screws to the ownership once and for all!

Were the pilots asked to pay a 30k training bond??

Wow, the gratitude...

lazionic · Post by **lazionic** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:11 am

Layoffs, really? I thought they were getting their DC-10's next month. Didnt they just send a bunch of them on course for the DC-10?

learcapt · Post by **learcapt** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:35 am

they never got the air canada contract to operate the dc10s. that was made clear a while ago.

grouchy · Post by **grouchy** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:42 am

Prop2jet "Sounds like they are attempting a union bust"

All right, what a fantastic opportunity for union hating pilots to get a job and stick a knife in another pilots back.
Get the resumes in boys and girls.

prop2jet · Post by **prop2jet** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:03 am

Grouchy: What comes around goes around...

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:09 am

This was posted yesterday on yyznews.com.........
7) All Canada Express (CNX) ....reports from Arizona indicate a DC-10-30F is painted up in ACE's colours with the registration C-FACX painted on it and a Canadian flag on the number two engine cowling. The aircraft was recently spotted at Goodyear AZ (GYR) just west of Phoenix. Last year ACE was hopeful of landing a contract with Air Canada Cargo to utilize these DC-10s but it is unclear who the client will be now....or just when this aircraft will be entering revenue service

boeingboy · Post by **boeingboy** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:10 am

Yea - ACE laid off pilots a while ago.

As for the DC-10 - it won't be showing up any time soon. I said it before when this whole thing started - You can't certify an aircraft like that in 3 or 4 months.....it takes at least 6 months min, and reallisticly 12-16 months.

ACE really jumped the gun aquireing and painting the aircraft without really looking into how long it takes to certify. I do hope they find other work for it though and get their crews back to work. We need this kind of business in this counrty.

FlyByWire · Post by **FlyByWire** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:15 am

ACE, as in All Canada Express did in fact lay off quite a few pilots on Monday. Sounds like they are attempting a unioin bust. Hopefully the guys can with (CAW) put the screws to the ownership once and for all!

Word is that the pilots were not laid off but terminated. This means they can't qualify for EI (as far as I know). I've heard rumours that some of the 27's are for sale as well.

alpha speed · Post by **alpha speed** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:51 am

They fired 35 guys ?
That sound a little out there

imc · Post by **imc** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:49 am

I heard it was 9 guys, and this happened about a month ago.

Evidently they have pulled out of the Cubana contract due to non-payment, but this is just a rumour.

Froggy · Post by **Froggy** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:04 pm

Hey Guys,

I worked for ACE just over 2 yrs ago as Maint. and as far as i know, all the pilots there were on a contracting bases. This meant they were all self employed and hired by ACE to fly the planes. No unions, No E.I.
P.S. This is the first I've heard of them canning some crews! They had it made back in the day when they had the Cargojet contract and UPS alltogether. It's too bad it's gotten to this! If indeed it has!

FlyByWire · Post by **FlyByWire** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:35 pm

I heard about the 9 that got fired a month ago, but from what I've heard, this happened on Monday. 35 may not be a totally accurate number as I only heard third-hand, but it sounded like it was the majority of crews.

lazionic · Post by **lazionic** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:16 pm

I was talking to the Director of Maintenance a few weeks ago and he told me they were on the verge of signing an agreement with someone in europe to fly cargo. They would be based out of europe.

Brahma · Post by **Brahma** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 12:28 pm

TTail · Post by **TTail** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:47 pm

They're showing "Furlough" on http://www.pilotcareercenter.com

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:55 pm

Brahma wrote:ACE's DC-10 will NEVER enter revenue service in Canada. Mark my words, and remember you heard it here first!

Please explain? ..can you tell us why? ... or even how it is you're so sure?

TTail · Post by **TTail** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:43 pm

Brahma:

Either you're bitter at them or you work for them. What's going on over there if you wouldn't mind sharing.

LJD

spm · Post by **spm** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:14 pm

ACE's DC10 is already painted up and might show up in Canada soon. However Ive heard it will be working out of the country. But ACE is primed for it. DC10 amendmants to all our manuals and crews on standby to fly it. But you could be right, it may be doing most of its flying outside of the country

alpha speed · Post by **alpha speed** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:36 pm

So did they layoff guys or fire them?

loopy · Post by **loopy** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:48 pm

I believe the correct terminology is terminated!

That's T-E-R-M-I-N-A-T-E-D.

The ACEPA-CAW have a definite issue with the terminology used!

This saga continues.

Brahma · Post by **Brahma** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:57 pm

ACE Shakeup?

ACE Shakeup?

ACE Shakeup?

ace dc10s

maybe not in canada but its coming