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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:49 pm 
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Tony - here is that CADORS on the Perimeter Metro in Sanikiluaq, it was another of their medevac machines.

Cadors Number: 2010C4278 Reporting Region: Prairie & Northern

Occurrence InformationOccurrence Type: Accident Occurrence Date: 2010-12-18

Occurrence Time: 1304 Z Day Or Night: night-time

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYSK Aerodrome Name: Sanikiluaq Airport

Occurrence Location: Sanikiluaq Airport (CYSK)

Province: Nunavut Country: CANADA

TSB Class Of Investigation: 5 TSB Occurrence No: A10Q0221

Aircraft InformationFlight #: PAG 952 Aircraft Category: Aeroplane
Make: SWEARINGEN Model: SA226TC

Year Built: 1979 Amateur Built: No

Engine Make: GARRETT Engine Model: TPE331-10UA

Phase of Flight: Landing Damage: Substantial

Owner: PERIMETER AVIATION LP AS REPRESENTED BY ITS GENERAL PARTNER, PERIMETER AVIATION GP INC. -
Operator: PERIMETER AVIATION (1861)

Loss of control - on ground Runway excursion

Detail InformationUser Name: Ridley, Rod

Date: 2010-12-20

Narrative: PAG 952, a Perimeter Aviation Metro, landed at Sanikiluaq and the aircraft ran off the end of the runway. The aircraft was stuck in the snow and the company requested a NOTAM closing the runway. The company later called North Bay FIC about four and a half hours later at 1740z to advise the aircraft had been removed and to cancel the NOTAM. FIC then cancelled the NOTAM and Montreal Centre was advised.

Narrative: UPDATE TSB reported that the Swearingen Metro (SA226-TC) registration C-GQAJ and operated by Perimeter Aviation as PAG 952, was on an IFR flight from Gods Lake Narrows MB to Sanikiluaq , NU with two pilots and a nurse on board. During arrival at destination, the weather information was not available and the crew performed a visual inspection before landing on Runway 09. Following touchdown, the crew lost control of the aircraft in a crosswind and left the runway surface on the north side and came to rest in the snow. There were no injuries but the aircraft received substantial damage.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:29 pm 
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wow no information and a bent airplane, gee if only we had a 4 page fourm on this with an mu-2 involved in armstrong. good thing PAG dosen't do profit share cause that would eat into a big chunck of it. Can you believe that captain makes $90 000/annum for making the good decisions


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aviator2010 wrote:
wow no information and a bent airplane, gee if only we had a 4 page fourm on this with an mu-2 involved in armstrong. good thing PAG dosen't do profit share cause that would eat into a big chunck of it. Can you believe that captain makes $90 000/annum for making the good decisions


I know the captain of that particular flight and would trust him with any flight. Losing control could happen to any of us.


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There but for the grace of god go I. with possible mx like nws inop, or gremlin'd, or a prop not going to beta, or a honking great xwind, it could happen to anyone, so wait til the facts are out, before you villify them.


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An interesting tid-bit about Perimeter that I heard from one of their managers a couple of years ago .... they fly something like 33,000 sectors in a year, into some pretty crummy places, so it shouldn't be any big news that even if they get their error rate down to .001% its still a significant number.

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Was the community radio station operating at the time ?


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Not knowing the Metro 2 in regards to fuel load, can it fly Winnipeg to God's Lake Narrows, then God's Lake Narrows all the way to Sanikiluaq and hold an alternate with IFR reserve fuel? What is full fuel on the 2?

Also, why would Manitoba Ambulance approved pilots and nurses be doing Nunavut Government medevac coverage? Are the Perimeter crews approved to do Nunavut region as well?


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Sanikiluak is a real dump.

Nice carvings though.


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marked wrote:
Not knowing the Metro 2 in regards to fuel load, can it fly Winnipeg to God's Lake Narrows, then God's Lake Narrows all the way to Sanikiluaq and hold an alternate with IFR reserve fuel? What is full fuel on the 2?

Also, why would Manitoba Ambulance approved pilots and nurses be doing Nunavut Government medevac coverage? Are the Perimeter crews approved to do Nunavut region as well?


554 US gallons (2100 liters). Burn is approx 600 lbs/hour.


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Keep spraying those brakes with Type I against the manufacturers recommendations...


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marked wrote:
Not knowing the Metro 2 in regards to fuel load, can it fly Winnipeg to God's Lake Narrows, then God's Lake Narrows all the way to Sanikiluaq and hold an alternate with IFR reserve fuel? What is full fuel on the 2?

Also, why would Manitoba Ambulance approved pilots and nurses be doing Nunavut Government medevac coverage? Are the Perimeter crews approved to do Nunavut region as well?


Why were they doing the medevac? Since the company with the Nunavut medevac contract is owned by the same people as Perimeter.

Manitoba companies have been doing Nunavut medevacs on a back up basis for Keewatin for as long as I can remember. Used to do a couple every month.


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I'm pretty sure Gods lake Narrows has Fuel Perimeter has Fuel tanks everywhere, they also base a crew in YGO from what I recall.

I will let the nerds figure out the fuel burns from YGO to ....... wait a sec are you really trying to insinuate something here about fuel burn and alternates for this flight.

Whip it out and put it on the table or STFU explain your post.


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they could go gods lake narrows to sani and hold winnipeg as the alt if they needed to


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BEFAN5 wrote:
marked wrote:
Not knowing the Metro 2 in regards to fuel load, can it fly Winnipeg to God's Lake Narrows, then God's Lake Narrows all the way to Sanikiluaq and hold an alternate with IFR reserve fuel? What is full fuel on the 2?

Also, why would Manitoba Ambulance approved pilots and nurses be doing Nunavut Government medevac coverage? Are the Perimeter crews approved to do Nunavut region as well?


554 US gallons (2100 liters). Burn is approx 600 lbs/hour.



It's actually 648 US gallons for a Metro II (SA-226TC) and 577 US gallons for a long body Merlin (SA-226AT)

As well, Perimeter does have fuel in YGO.


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