AC C2 & TC!

[hypoxic]

Not having typed a full word and I bet everyone knows what the topic is!

Rumour is AC has notified Jazz that Jazz employees that are doing TC work are not to use C2 passes for the purposes of commuting to work for TC. Apparently AC employees are supposed to report any violation of the pass policy!!!
Just a heads up!!

[TopperHarley]

I wouldn't worry too much Hypoxic. Most Jazz pilots nowadays rely on WJ, Porter, or other carriers for their commutes

[hypoxic]

I wouldn't worry too much Hypoxic. Most Jazz pilots nowadays rely on WJ, Porter, or other carriers for their commutes

That's what I thought! Was just a heads up for those that might still commute on AC. And it's only a rumour!

[CRJPurser]

I'm glad the ties are clip-ons

[rudder]

Rumour is AC has notified Jazz that Jazz employees that are doing TC work are not to use C2 passes for the purposes of commuting to work for TC.

Jazz employees don't work for TC. They work for Jazz. There is no such thing as a Jazz employee commuting to work for TC. They are commuting to work for Jazz.

[ram]

Jazz employees don't work for TC. They work for Jazz. There is no such thing as a Jazz employee commuting to work for TC. They are commuting to work for Jazz.

"Un-True"...Jazz employees operating aircraft for TC are considered to be on LOA from JAZZ (this is according to Air Canada management) and as such, any use of Air Canada C2 passes to commute to and from work is a violation of the employee travel policy.
A violation of this policy generally results in a 5 year loss of passes.
I am surprised that Jazz management has'nt issued a bulletin/memo on the subject.
Air Canada employees...pilots, fa's, counter etc...have been advised to report any such occurence!

don't shoot the messenger! just a Heads Up !

[flyinhigh]

Jazz employees don't work for TC. They work for Jazz. There is no such thing as a Jazz employee commuting to work for TC. They are commuting to work for Jazz.

"Un-True"...Jazz employees operating aircraft for TC are considered to be on LOA from JAZZ !

Here fishy fishy, Actually if your paystub says Jazz on it every 2 weeks than you are a Jazz employee therefore you are NOT on LOA which would mean that if you are an LOA you CANNOT use pass's period.

Before you guys come here you may wanna read the policy better, on another note, seriously take the pass's away, lets see how many AC commuters get to work. You don't think that the senior folk here are going to be given out the seats very often.

As stated SOOOOOOO many times that you guys don't wanna listen to, You need us as much as we need you

[ram]

Here fishy fishy, Actually if your paystub says Jazz on it every 2 weeks than you are a Jazz employee therefore you are NOT on LOA which would mean that if you are an LOA you CANNOT use pass's period.

Not really here to get into a pi?$ing match but fine...I didn't say that Jazz employees working for TC are on an LOA. What I did say is that "for travel purposes" Air Canada considers any Jazz employee flying Thomas Cook aircraft to have the same status and be governed by the same restrictions as those on LOA...If you don't believe it...I don't really care, It's a fact!..and has been published internally at Air Canada.

Before you guys come here you may wanna read the policy better, on another note, seriously take the pass's away, lets see how many AC commuters get to work. You don't think that the senior folk here are going to be given out the seats very often.

Since you want to go down that road...All seats, all flights that have an "AC" in front of them are "Air Canada" flights...not Jazz! What makes you think that Jazz employees would have priority on an aircraft that is owned by Air Canada flying Air Canada customers...Unlike the Jumpseat, the seats in the back do not belong to Jazz and as such, Jazz cannot dictate who sits in them!

So are you sure you... "seriously want Air Canada to take the passes away"?

[BLZD1]

I read the letter aswell. What is Jazz's pass policy on TC aircraft?

[hypoxic]

Maybe those at Jazz should start making some calls to get the other side of the story. Sounds like AC is saying one thing and Jazz another!

[Localizer]

Bringing things back to reality .. If Jazz hasn't issued a bulletin saying all employee's currently engaged in the TC program cannot use AC passes to commute to/from work .. then its sorta hard to penalize the employee who hasn't been given the info. Also .. AC folks putting this information on AvCanada doesn't count as advanced warning .. I think all Jazz employee's will wait for an official notice.

This is going to be a hard policy to enforce, unless you question the person, and willing he/she gives you an honest answer .. you'll never really know what side of the operation they work under. Hat, wings, tunic all go in the overnight bag and presto .. who am I?

Cheers bitter ones ..

[rudder]

This is going to be a hard policy to enforce, unless you question the person, and willing he/she gives you an honest answer .. you'll never really know what side of the operation they work under. Hat, wings, tunic all go in the overnight bag and presto .. who am I?

Wrong answer.

Once clarity is brought by the parties to the policy, then it is policy. There are many conditions associated with pass travel. Intentional non-compliance comes with consequences. I am certain that every day some employee or employee dependant is breaking the rules. But that should not be used to broad brush all employees and turn pass travel into a Spanish Inquisition. Look what happened with the Buddy Passes - the actions of the few were held against the entire employee group.

Rules are rules. Lets find out what they are.

[RussD]

Jazz employees don't work for TC. They work for Jazz. There is no such thing as a Jazz employee commuting to work for TC. They are commuting to work for Jazz.

"Un-True"...Jazz employees operating aircraft for TC are considered to be on LOA from JAZZ (this is according to Air Canada management) and as such, any use of Air Canada C2 passes to commute to and from work is a violation of the employee travel policy.
A violation of this policy generally results in a 5 year loss of passes.
I am surprised that Jazz management has'nt issued a bulletin/memo on the subject.
Air Canada employees...pilots, fa's, counter etc...have been advised to report any such occurence!

don't shoot the messenger! just a Heads Up !

So how would this policy be applied to say a maintenance employee who may perform work on a 757 CRJ and D8 all on the same shift. Or a Dispatcher who files a flight plan to PVR between filing plans to YXU or an F/A who may work one sector on the 757 and another on a D8 all in the same duty period??? Or how about the 757 fleet managers? Are they excluded form the AC pass privileged altogether? Should be interesting to see this 'policy' administered.

This kind of smells a little like ACPACRAP to me.

[Altstar]

Lets not forget that the pilots who operate the 757 also fly the RJ when out of season. Other than the '57 fleet manager I don't believe there is anyone employed at Jazz who works exclusively on the TC operation.

[dream_big]

Why is everyone getting so upset here? Jazz takes a sh!t on AC, of course AC is gonna go ahead and do the same! Not an AC employee but honestly why would they let a jazz employee ride on a C2 and possibly kick off other AC employees traveling to work only to have they person then fly the 57's that believe it or not competes against them.

It would be the exact same if jazz was told 'oh by the way your not doing Toronto island flying but your going to be doing a run into there once a day to transport Sky Regional employees back and forth.' Don't worry their only doing your work that could have grown your company and probably will continue to grow Sky Regional but for now just fly them in there to make sure the company stays a float and continues to grow.

Maybe a bad example, but point being there are obvious repercussions when competing against AC. Yea I get it that, if jazz never took TC flying, sky service, westjet, sunwing etc. would have, but point is YOU DID and you are now competing against them so you gotta accept any consequences to come from it.

my 2 cents

[teacher]

Actually, the cabin should be opened to ANY flight crew member that is commuting to work. Not 1 seat but all seats either free of charge or a VERY small fee regardless of who they fly for.

MY 2 cents

[fish4life]

Actually, the cabin should be opened to ANY flight crew member that is commuting to work. Not 1 seat but all seats either free of charge or a VERY small fee regardless of who they fly for.

MY 2 cents

I agree I wish we could have the same system the US carriers have.

[Flaps 1]

Jesus Christ! You ACPA boys gotta find something better to do with your time. How about going after the real threat to your jobs...Westjet!

[Localizer]

They don't care about their jobs as much as boarding priority.

Still no official word from anyone at Jazz ... maybe this whole thing is a troll job.

[rudder]

The fact is that Jazz operating aircraft on behalf of Thomas Cook has not cost one AC employee their job nor affected their advancement. Thomas Cook work is not and never will be performed by AC employees unless AC buys Thomas Cook. And while Thomas Cook storefronts may compete with AC Vacations, and AC vacations utilise AC aircraft and crews, it is clear that in no practical fashion is Jazz competing with AC.

The sore point here is that the Jazz pilots were afforded through thoughtful effort or sheer good fortune the opportunity to fly Boeings. The good news for the AC pilots is that ACPA scope language prevailed, and they are not painted robin's egg blue. But that is not good enough and with almost absolute certainty negotiating capital will be spent this year on such trivial labour issues as pass travel priority.

Perhaps the most telling professional annecdote is that when WJ is told to follow the 'Jazz 757' they typically respond "Jazz 757? Congratulations ". Guess that they are not as insecure about their work that is tied to WJ vacations. Oh and by the way, WJ pilots are allowed to commute to work on AC......

[hypoxic]

Oh and by the way, WJ pilots are allowed to commute to work on AC......

Not on a C2 pass!

[countryhick]

Nope, not on a C2, for free!!

[teacher]

Nope, not on a C2, for free!!

Exactly!!!!!!!!!

[mattedfred]

One of my competitors allows me the opportunity to commute to work with them for free. Another one does so for $20 less than the airline that I provide lift as a subcontractor.

I also get discounts on hotel rooms, car rentals and cruises even though I am unable to offer the employees of any of these companies a discount in return.

Weird eh?

[hypoxic]

Nope, not on a C2, for free!!

Although i don't agree with it.....I believe there is a charge!