CARS question with reference

[cdnpilot77]

. 700.15 (1) Subject to subsection (2), no air operator shall assign a flight crew member for flight time, and no flight crew member shall accept such an assignment, if the flight crew member's total flight time in all flights conducted by the flight crew member will, as a result, exceed

(a) 1,200 hours in any 365 consecutive days;

(b) 300 hours in any 90 consecutive days;

(c) 120 hours in any 30 consecutive days or, in the case of a flight crew member on call, 100 hours in any 30 consecutive days;

(d) where the flight is conducted under Subpart 4 or 5 using an aircraft other than a helicopter, 40 hours in any 7 consecutive days;

(e) where the flight is conducted under Subpart 2 or 3, or is conducted using a helicopter, 60 hours in any 7 consecutive days; or

(f) where the flight crew member conducts single-pilot IFR flights, 8 hours in any 24 consecutive hours.

Ok, so a friend brought this up. This is a very hypothetical question. I fly under CARS 604 in the boss' beaver. If I were to obtain a position in a 704/705 operation but still wanted to fly the beaver under the 604 ops on the side, am I still limited to 1200hrs per year total? Will the hours that are flown under the 604 count against me for the 704/705 flying.

For example, if I were to fly 200hrs under 604, would I then only be eligible for 1000hrs of flight time under the 704/705 op?

Thanks for the clarification.
CP77

[200hr Wonder]

Yes hours are hours are hours. If you are in a 70x operation you need to include any time flown regardless if you are operating 70x or privately. Though if for example you hit 100hours in the past 29 days and on the 30th day you wished to fly the bosses beaver that would be legal now on day 31 you need to include the past 28 days of flight plus the beaver time on the 29th day to determine how many hours you could legally fly that day.

[Rockie]

Ok, so a friend brought this up. This is a very hypothetical question. I fly under CARS 604 in the boss' beaver. If I were to obtain a position in a 704/705 operation but still wanted to fly the beaver under the 604 ops on the side, am I still limited to 1200hrs per year total? Will the hours that are flown under the 604 count against me for the 704/705 flying.

For example, if I were to fly 200hrs under 604, would I then only be eligible for 1000hrs of flight time under the 704/705 op?

Absolutely yes. For that reason most, if not all commercial operations will require you to obtain written authorization before performing any external flying since it leaves less for them.

[Pratt X 3]

The answer is in the regulation.

700.15 (1) Subject to subsection (2), no air operator shall assign a flight crew member for flight time, and no flight crew member shall accept such an assignment, if the flight crew member's total flight time in all flights conducted by the flight crew member will, as a result, exceed...

[modi13]

I know several pilots who work for a 704 operation and instruct part-time on the side. They need to be extremely careful with their hours because the extra time they get from instructing can hinder how much they can fly for the 704 operator; the chief pilot wouldn't be particularly happy if they timed out and couldn't work because they spent a few hundred hours in the circuit.

[cdnpilot77]

The answer is in the regulation.

700.15 (1) Subject to subsection (2), no air operator shall assign a flight crew member for flight time, and no flight crew member shall accept such an assignment, if the flight crew member's total flight time in all flights conducted by the flight crew member will, as a result, exceed...

That was the part that I was referring to specifically, didnt know if that meant in all flights by the flight crew as a flight crew or if it meant ALL flights private included

[mattedfred]

What about the 36 in 7 or 3 in 17 time free from duty requirements?

Must these be coordinated between a beaver registered to a business for private use and a 705 operation?

Wouldn't this be the same as operating my own private aircraft on my days off? i.e. my total flight time would include time from all types but duty time does not exist for the private flying

[ahramin]

As stated duty days only apply to Part 7 flights, but total time is all type of flying.

This is why I keep my personal flying in a separate logbook.

Why is your boss running a beaver under 604? Big flight department?

[A Regulator]

Flight duty times etc that are mentioned in Part 700 only apply to Commercial Operators however, the requirement to maintain a personal log is required by CAR 401.08 (1). So if you fly an aircraft for pleasure or under what was CAR 604 and you fly for a commercial air operator you must follow CAR 700 which is the more restrictive. Usually a commercial air operator has something in thier operations manual that says something about flying for other operators (private as well) or you must have the Chief Pilot's authorization to fly other aircraft or they do not allow you to fly privately. CAR 401.08 (1) says...

Every applicant for, and every holder of, a flight crew permit, licence or rating shall maintain a personal log in accordance with subsection (2) and with the personnel licensing standards for the documentation of

(a) experience acquired in respect of the issuance of the flight crew permit, licence or rating; and
(amended 2001/03/01; previous version)

(b) recency.

(2) A personal log that is maintained for the purposes referred to in paragraphs (1)(a) and (b) shall contain the holder's name and the following information in respect of each flight:

(a) the date of the flight;

(b) the type of aircraft and its registration mark;

(c) the flight crew position in which the holder acted;

(d) the flight conditions with respect to day, night, VFR and IFR;

(e) in the case of a flight in a aeroplane or helicopter, the place of departure and the place of arrival;

(f) in the case of a flight in an aeroplane, all of the intermediate take-offs and landings;

(g) the flight time;

(h) in the case of a flight in a glider, the method of launch used for the flight; and

(i) in the case of a flight in a balloon, the method of inflation used for the flight.

(3) No person shall make an entry in a personal log unless the person

(a) is the holder of the log; or

(b) has been authorized to make the entry by the holder of the log.

[mattedfred]

So if you fly an aircraft for pleasure or under what was CAR 604 and you fly for a commercial air operator you must follow CAR 700 which is the more restrictive.

Must follow CAR 700 for flight time and flight duty time limitations by combining CAR 604 and CAR 700 flight time and flight duty times or just CAR 604 flight time and CAR 700 flight time and flight duty time?