If the owner of a Navajo is also a an instructor and teaches you say
instrument work, or checking you out on the Navajo,
you can clam that time as training correct?
Now if the owner designates you as PIC, can you claim it as PIC?
Do you need a ppc or pcc if it is a private aircraft?
Flying a Privately owned Navajo
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One cannot have a PPC on an airplane unless it is directly associated with a commerciel operator certificate. Flying a private Navajo is like flying a private C-172. If you hold the appropriate class rating (read multi engine it this case) you can be designated as and claim PIC time. The CARs do not require one even train on it! You multi rating is valid for all non-high performance multi engine airplane with a minimum crew of 1. The insurance underwriter may say otherwhise before they extend their coverage.
I know where you are going, and I did the same ting a few years back. Used to fly this Navajo with the owner and his friends and as long as I was in the front seat, he would designate me as PIC and I would log it. In reality we use to split the legs but even in the right seat, I was PIC therefore I logged as PIC.
Completely legal, no moral issues, just be sure YOUR name shoes in the journey log as PIC.
If he is an instructor, you can claim it as training. The only problem is when you apply for another license (IE airline) TC may find curious the fact that you have 500hr DUAL on the Navajo. Try to keep the number logical. Unfortunately, you cannot log F/O time on a private Navajo.
Hope this helps.
I know where you are going, and I did the same ting a few years back. Used to fly this Navajo with the owner and his friends and as long as I was in the front seat, he would designate me as PIC and I would log it. In reality we use to split the legs but even in the right seat, I was PIC therefore I logged as PIC.
Completely legal, no moral issues, just be sure YOUR name shoes in the journey log as PIC.
If he is an instructor, you can claim it as training. The only problem is when you apply for another license (IE airline) TC may find curious the fact that you have 500hr DUAL on the Navajo. Try to keep the number logical. Unfortunately, you cannot log F/O time on a private Navajo.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for the info. I logged about 30 hrs in training with him.
Now he said I can log PIC. He feels comfident now.
Do not wan to do anything illigal.
When I log PIC, I have been doing all the Flight Planning,. On the flight plan, I am designated as PIC. I guess it should all be okay.
Since I have trained from the right seat, I still flight it from the right seat.
Thanks for the info.
Now he said I can log PIC. He feels comfident now.
Do not wan to do anything illigal.
When I log PIC, I have been doing all the Flight Planning,. On the flight plan, I am designated as PIC. I guess it should all be okay.
Since I have trained from the right seat, I still flight it from the right seat.
Thanks for the info.
Just to clarify: in Canada, unlike in the USA, there is only ONE PIC. It's very simple and logical - if you ACT as PIC, you LOG PIC. Acting as PIC has everything to do with responsibility for the aircraft and NOTHING to do with wiggling the controls.
I know an old Air Canada pilot who used to fly to the Orient 3 times a month to collect his 200k+ salary. Rough life, I know. After takeoff, he'd go back and snooze and let the young kids sit up front, with the proviso that if any lights or horns came on, they weren't to touch anything, but to come wake him up.
I was shocked, of course, but he explained to me that there is nothing in the regs that requires the PIC to have a set of flight controls in front of him, or to even be in the cockpit at any time.
Who am I to argue with an Air Canada pilot that made over $200k per year for such trivial effort? He was obviously much smarter than I - I have earned far more than $200K per year, but I'll admit I didn't sleep for 3 trips per month to earn it.
I know an old Air Canada pilot who used to fly to the Orient 3 times a month to collect his 200k+ salary. Rough life, I know. After takeoff, he'd go back and snooze and let the young kids sit up front, with the proviso that if any lights or horns came on, they weren't to touch anything, but to come wake him up.
I was shocked, of course, but he explained to me that there is nothing in the regs that requires the PIC to have a set of flight controls in front of him, or to even be in the cockpit at any time.
Who am I to argue with an Air Canada pilot that made over $200k per year for such trivial effort? He was obviously much smarter than I - I have earned far more than $200K per year, but I'll admit I didn't sleep for 3 trips per month to earn it.
Hold onto your hat: the answer is YES.
To LOG PIC in the USA, you don't need to ACT as PIC, which is bizarre, but true.
The simplest scenario is a flight instructor with a student ... the flight instructor logs PIC because he's acting as pic, but the student additionally logs PIC because he is wiggling the controls, and the FARs allow the person wiggling the controls to log PIC even though they are not acting as PIC.
If in addition there is another instructor in the back seat who is instructing the first flight instructor in the right seat, he can log PIC as well. And if the 4th seat is occupied by an ATP, he can log PIC because an ATP can log PIC anytime he is in an aircraft and feels the urge to do so.
I am not making this up. Search it with google.
To LOG PIC in the USA, you don't need to ACT as PIC, which is bizarre, but true.
The simplest scenario is a flight instructor with a student ... the flight instructor logs PIC because he's acting as pic, but the student additionally logs PIC because he is wiggling the controls, and the FARs allow the person wiggling the controls to log PIC even though they are not acting as PIC.
If in addition there is another instructor in the back seat who is instructing the first flight instructor in the right seat, he can log PIC as well. And if the 4th seat is occupied by an ATP, he can log PIC because an ATP can log PIC anytime he is in an aircraft and feels the urge to do so.
I am not making this up. Search it with google.
PIC
In order to be able to log PIC in your personal logbook you must also be PIC in the journey log. The insurance documents must have the PIC listed on the list of approved pilots or the insurance must have an Open Pilot Clause (highly unlikely) to meet the insurance requirements under the CARS.
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