skyregional delayed

[Rockie]

I see a train-wreck coming towards all parties.

You hear that term a lot when people discuss ACPA's handling of various issues.

[mbav8r]

AC management are like spoiled brats, you give an inch, they take a million oops I meant mile. Now it's just plain insulting and if ACPA gives this inch, I'll hope and pray you get all that you'll deserve. If you think they're going to stop at 5 q400s, you're quite naieve. Afterall it's about saving money, I wonder where else AC could look to cut cost,hmmmm.

[aerodude]

Hey Brick,

I was responding to another post that got edited. But realistically .. why would ACPA want SkyRegional to operate out of Pearson?! .. Theoretically their now taking away ACPA jobs, no?! .. YYZ-YUL .. that makes no sense .. operating out of the island sure, but Pearson?! .. This whole thing is getting ridiculous and someone needs to put the brakes on.

I don't see leverage anymore .. I see a train-wreck coming towards all parties.

Maybe this was all part of the big plan. ACPA allowed the new feeder operation to start. Sky Regional, "somehow", does not get a OC in time and now is "forced" to operated out of pearson and mean while they are all hiring AME's and ground service personnel to be based at YYZ. Forget Porter, if I was ACPA or ALPA, I would be worried.

[Localizer]

I'm beginning to see a hypocrisy develop .. I remember post directed towards Jazz pilots about lowing the bar in this industry .. Seems to me the bar remained the same after their negotiations, but now I see the same group that was pointing fingers not heeding their own words.

Remember what your mother told you? Whenever you point your finger there are always three pointing back!

[Brick Head]

I'm beginning to see a hypocrisy develop .. I remember post directed towards Jazz pilots about lowing the bar in this industry .. Seems to me the bar remained the same after their negotiations, but now I see the same group that was pointing fingers not heeding their own words.

Remember what your mother told you? Whenever you point your finger there are always three pointing back!

I very much doubt the company plans on running the Q400 YYZ-YUL.

I very much doubt the companies intent is just five aircraft longer term.

I very much doubt the companies intent ends with just adding one tier 2 player.

I very much doubt regional compensation will remain intact as a result.

Like I have said repeatedly. I understand the need for AC to do this. What I don't understand is why we are doing nothing to avoid committing the connector mistakes of the past. Why we are doing nothing to avoid what has transpired in the states.

Actually that is not true. I do understand why. We are not structured to look after the group as a whole. We are structured to take care of our individual groups with no regard for the impact on those around us.

You can point your figure this way if you like but your group is just as guilty.
http://theairlinewebsite.com/index.php ... try1564356

[Thirteentennorth]

Word on the street is that Sky Regional is not ready because they can't find enough retired AC 777 captains to fly the Q400.
Yes, you heard it here, one of the new hires is supposedly a retired AC 777 captain. Gotta love the chutzpah!

[Inverted2]

I heard that too. They are going to like flying the YTZ-YUL run for about 3 days!

[mattedfred]

I met a PD Captain that was a retired AC 767 Captain.

[Localizer]

Actually that is not true. I do understand why. We are not structured to look after the group as a whole. We are structured to take care of our individual groups with no regard for the impact on those around us.

True .. but seeing how ACPA is the largest pilot group in the country, shouldn't they set the example? This would be a great time to use the proverbial olive branch approach. The problem is, this would take a selfless act of faith on all parts.

[mattedfred]

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Might is always right folks.

When the Jazz pilot group do something for the benefit of their members they are seen as being selfish and lowering the bar.

When anyone else does the same thing they are seen as only doing what they are obliged to do for their members.

If AC wanted to maintain control of the Chorus BOD than they should have maintained an ownership stake. If AC wants exclusivity than they better negotiate such in their CPA. However, exclusivity would cost way more than the alternative. Otherwise what choice would a completely independent subcontractor have when it came to maintaining and expanding their revenue stream?

I find it interesting that some appear to sound the warning bells that TC is or will hurt ACV, yet these same people appear compelled to assist with the creation of multiple Tier II CPA carriers. Perhaps these same people do not see the connection.

The less stable the Jazz CPA the more inclined the Chorus BOD will be to diversify their revenue stream as their number one customer is the share holder. The natural evolution of the CPA model will be for Chorus to provide lift for multiple carriers using various types.

ACPA must decide whether a strong and stable regional airline industry is better for their members than a fractured and debased regional industry.

[truedude]

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Might is always right folks.

When the Jazz pilot group do something for the benefit of their members they are seen as being selfish and lowering the bar.

When anyone else does the same thing they are seen as only doing what they are obliged to do for their members.

If AC wanted to maintain control of the Chorus BOD than they should have maintained an ownership stake. If AC wants exclusivity than they better negotiate such in their CPA. However, exclusivity would cost way more than the alternative. Otherwise what choice would a completely independent subcontractor have when it came to maintaining and expanding their revenue stream?

I find it interesting that some appear to sound the warning bells that TC is or will hurt ACV, yet these same people appear compelled to assist with the creation of multiple Tier II CPA carriers. Perhaps these same people do not see the connection.

The less stable the Jazz CPA the more inclined the Chorus BOD will be to diversify their revenue stream as their number one customer is the share holder. The natural evolution of the CPA model will be for Chorus to provide lift for multiple carriers using various types.

ACPA must decide whether a strong and stable regional airline industry is better for their members than a fractured and debased regional industry.

I think you need to have a couple more beers or just delete your post, because you are in serious danger of making sense.


And in case it didn't come across, or someone has a stick up their....

It is Sarcasm... Should be implied, but around here... you never seem to know.

[mattedfred]

The only sarcastic text in my previous post was the might is right comment. Perhaps the old OAC mantra was out of context with the rest of my post as I was actually referring to AC with that statement.

[Brick Head]

Actually that is not true. I do understand why. We are not structured to look after the group as a whole. We are structured to take care of our individual groups with no regard for the impact on those around us.

True .. but seeing how ACPA is the largest pilot group in the country, shouldn't they set the example? This would be a great time to use the proverbial olive branch approach. The problem is, this would take a selfless act of faith on all parts.

Localizer,

In a perfect world yes. In the real world, the second that idea requires bargaining capital to achieve? Not going to happen.

Do you believe ALPA would ever give up contractual gains for the good of someone not in their bargaining unit?

Our structure has made us no different than Afghan war lords. Interested only in our power. Our personal lot in life. Unwilling to submit to a central power. No regard for the greater good.

That is what we are. Until we recognize and accept the problem we can't fix it.

[truedude]

The only sarcastic text in my previous post was the might is right comment. Perhaps the old OAC mantra was out of context with the rest of my post as I was actually referring to AC with that statement.

I agreed with what you wrote... I was worried that what I wrote in response might not be taken as sarcasm.

[Brick Head]

Word on the street...

Broad Street?

[Brick Head]

ACPA must decide whether a strong and stable regional airline industry is better for their members than a fractured and debased regional industry.

Much of your point is correct except one fatal misunderstanding. ACPA doesn't have to decide anything. Nor is it likely they will. Union's look inward. Your looking big picture and that is very unlikely to happen in our present structure.

History has my back on this.

And for the purpose of accuracy. ACE stripped Jazz from AC during CCAA. Since that point AC has never had a stake in Jazz that I know of. ACE did, but as we all know, all they had interest in was themselves.

Kinda like us if you think about it.

[~Hollywood~]

What's going on with Colgan/Continental, are they experiencing the same issues that Sky/AC are facing as well flying into the island??

When is their planned starting date?

[aileron]

What's going on with Colgan/Continental, are they experiencing the same issues that Sky/AC are facing as well flying into the island??

When is their planned starting date?

From what I understand they are not pursuing the island as a destination; may have a lot to do with the rumour their SOPs exclude Flap 35 landings.

[fish4life]

probably because they have a total of 2000hrs of experience up front with little to no short field ops experience

[Thirteentennorth]

Word on the street...

Broad Street?

Nah, Mon, Swan Street

[Localizer]

probably because they have a total of 2000hrs of experience up front with little to no short field ops experience

And Sky Regional is going to be different from this in some way?? ..

[STOLskunkworks]

probably because they have a total of 2000hrs of experience up front with little to no short field ops experience

And Sky Regional is going to be different from this in some way?? ..

Quite

A little birdy told me that the guys who will be flying this op have loads of experience. They also have a bunch of guys with Q400 and some very short Field experience. No low timers here.

As for US operators. Well yes I think they see YTZ as a carrier landing.

[Localizer]

Quite

A little birdy told me that the guys who will be flying this op have loads of experience. They also have a bunch of guys with Q400 and some very short Field experience. No low timers here.

As for US operators. Well yes I think they see YTZ as a carrier landing.

Its funny because I know a few fella's that have been interviewed, none of them have what i'd call a load of experience .. but they'll tell you they do.

Now that's just a few guys .. I can't speak for the rest of them .. but I can't see a load of experience interested in 60G's a year (Capt.), unless they really wanna get south.

Just my opinion.

[fish4life]

Chances are most guys getting on come from some op where they flew smaller turbo props into crap/short gravel strips... on the flip side most american pilots have no clue what gravel looks like

[dcabrown]

So it begins....

Arch rival as your landlord vs. Can't make money for 4 years as a monopoly.

Interesting and yet depressing at the same time...

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Air Canada (AC.B-T2.83-0.03-1.05%) will start flying from Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport on May 1, a move that will put the carrier in direct competition with Porter Airlines Inc.

Air Canada signed a leasing deal with the airport facility’s landlord, City Centre Terminal Corp., which is headed by Porter chief executive officer Robert Deluce.

ickets will got on sale starting Monday for Air Canada’s flights beginning in May at the Toronto island airport, featuring 15 round-trips daily on the Toronto-Montreal route.

Porter has enjoyed a monopoly on commercial flights at Billy Bishop since it launched service in October, 2006.

The Toronto Port Authority oversees the airport, but City Centre Terminal owns the recently expanded buildings. “Opening the airport to new carriers is a key element of our long-term business plan, and can only serve the best interests of the passengers who love the easy access of our downtown airport,” TPA chief executive officer Geoffrey Wilson said in a statement Friday.

Air Canada will be deploying Bombardier Q400 turboprops operated by Sky Regional Airlines Inc. – the same type of aircraft in Porter’s fleet.

“Air Canada is extremely pleased to return to Toronto island and expand the range of travel options for our customers,” Air Canada chief commercial officer Ben Smith said in a statement.