Foreign check airmen at JAZZ????

CRJ705driver · Post by **CRJ705driver** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:24 pm

I just heard over a cup-o-tim's in YYC today that we will be getting a handfull of check airmen from some european company (Tirol air IIRC) to do our Q 400 line training in YYZ later this summer?? WTF?? What gives with this decision? What does the union boys think about this?? If anybody has anymore info on this, please feel free to inform the masses... with the latest bid - I thought we were doing everything in house?

JK

rigpiggy · Post by **rigpiggy** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:51 pm

Does anybody at Jazz, have 400 time, would porter do it no, does hydro quebec have the extra staff, no, just shut up about it

scopiton · Post by **scopiton** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:53 pm

agree with rippiggy and,
never trust what is said over a cup-o-tim's : some european company named tirol air IIrc does not exist. isn't it tyrolean ?
tyrolean being lufthansa's feeder, and jazz being Air canada's feeder, and lufthansa and Air canada having signed a joint venture partnership, and air canada operating a fleet -soon to come- of Q400 too, it would appear normal that they exchange good expertise and training according to their business agreements. it can be interesting to exchange experience and expertise with other companies from over the pond from time to time. no ?
I could be right, I could be wrong, but in any case you shouldn't worry for your candian job because check pilots are there for a limited time only, in general to check your check pilots.
It works like a special offer at tim's, it never lasts forever. see... ?

ChallengerDan · Post by **ChallengerDan** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:16 pm

I think it makes sense.
1- Get the ball rolling.
2- Then do it in-house.

You need the expertise. Get the expertise where it is. Transfer of knowledge. We take it from here. Sounds logical to me.

countryhick · Post by **countryhick** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:19 pm

Its no different than the '57 startup, or the initial RJ startup. Its a new type and the company needs someone to train the trainers. Its in the CBA, and it will be short term.

BingBong · Post by **BingBong** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:29 pm

rigpiggy wrote:Does anybody at Jazz, have 400 time

Several do

flyinhigh · Post by **flyinhigh** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:50 pm

CRJ705driver wrote:I just heard over a cup-o-tim's in YYC today that we will be getting a handfull of check airmen from some european company (Tirol air IIRC) to do our Q 400 line training in YYZ later this summer?? WTF?? What gives with this decision? What does the union boys think about this?? If anybody has anymore info on this, please feel free to inform the masses... with the latest bid - I thought we were doing everything in house?
JK

Like oh my gawdddddd, like whater we gonna do......Like I only have one post under this alias cause I don't have the balls to troll with my true name.

CRJ705driver · Post by **CRJ705driver** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:30 am

Thanks Countryhick, if it is in the CBA... then that is a relief. I, just like so many others have worked so hard after graduating from MRC so many years ago to get to where I am today- I naturally got a little scared for my job - but that is why I decided to ask on the forum. Thanks for clarifying this! If it is in the CBA, then all is well again in the universe!
Thanks
JK

ILS26_Steep · Post by **ILS26_Steep** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:27 am

Considering Bombardier is right in town. They have pilot's and checker's needed to do the job! I believe that's how Porter went about it! Jazz can do the same, considering that Bombardier is paying flight safety the money to train up to 5 crews for each new plane purchased anyway. No need to go over seas to get people with time on type.

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:15 am

I doubt anyone here is management, and I doubt anyone here knows anything regarding AC/Jazz business arrangements. All Jazz training is done at CAE .. not Flight Safety .. maybe there would be a conflict in the contract Jazz has with CAE if training was done at Flight Safety.

In reality this is peanuts .. If you have issues with foreign pilots in Canada, you may want to join the Sunwing/Canjet threads. I'd consider them to be a bigger threat to our industry then a couple check pilots aiding in the start-up of a new type. (Btw .. don't give me that pilot exchange crap either .. it seems too one sided for my liking, but that's just my opinion.)

prop2jet · Post by **prop2jet** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:36 am

My understanding is the first group of Instructors will be going to Flight Safety. The Q400 sim at CAE in YUL is not likely to be ready in time for their training. The use of Bombardier pilots to do the line training that was done at Porter might have been something that was likely negotiated as part of the purchase of the aircraft. Knowing Jazz to go on the cheap side of things, perhaps they opted for the non training package with the objective of seeking outside contract pilots to do the first batch of line training.

Given the fact that the aircraft are joining at the rate of one per month, I doubt there will be much need for contract pilots for more than a month or two.

aileron · Post by **aileron** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:36 pm

rigpiggy wrote:Does anybody at Jazz, have 400 time, would porter do it no...

With regard to line training (not sure about Jazz) it was offered to Sky Regional as an option

- which was apparently declined

Jastapilot · Post by **Jastapilot** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:44 am

CRJ705driver wrote:Thanks Countryhick, if it is in the CBA... then that is a relief. I, just like so many others have worked so hard after graduating from MRC so many years ago to get to where I am today- I naturally got a little scared for my job - but that is why I decided to ask on the forum. Thanks for clarifying this! If it is in the CBA, then all is well again in the universe!
Thanks
JK

If you're going to troll you should have used a more believable college, like Seneca, to be from.

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