Inflation/Hyperinflation - we may be in for a painful ride

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Re: Inflation/Hyperinflation - we may be in for a painful ri

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THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!! :roll:

The YouTube video lost me at the middle point of the third episode. First episode showed promise. However, it appeared to me it was quickly becoming a "attack those terrible politicians" tirade. In a democracy, the people have no one to blame but themselves for the politicians they elect. Frankly, why would any intelligent person run for public office and be answerable to these masses of minions who think all of life's problems can be solved by high speed internet downloads. Highly indebted Canadians pointing their crooked little fingers at politicians, lecturing them how to run the nations finances. Hypocrisy. You get what you pay for. Suck it up.

When it comes to investing, the foremost thing that comes to mind is.....DIVERSIFICATION. Why would anyone pour all their capital into such an extremely volatile commodity as gold? I'm sure I read somewhere that historically, gold over the past 100 years, hasn't even kept up with inflation. If $300 sunglasses can't deflect the gold "shine", take ten percent of your non-financed money, research for gold miners who have a proven track record of stable dividend payments, and buy their dividend stock. I'd almost suggest buying the stock in American currency due to "nationalists" in the nation of Quebec, who have a looming election mess coming down the track, but don't want to debate hypothetical currency scenarios.

We've made it this far. I'll place my bets on "long" for the future. Then again, I don't have kids to apologize to for leaving such a mess....seconds before I kiss off. :D

End of rant.
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Re: Inflation/Hyperinflation - we may be in for a painful ri

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I think I'm going to invest in a supply of iron / steel; and a large cache of coke (i.e. the fuel derived from coal - not the stuff in the red can, or the white powder).

When society collapses, the blacksmiths among us will once again become the go-to-guys for having stuff made. I'll make a farmer some security bars for his house in exchange for a few chickens and some grain.

Hmm, I wonder if the 'cash man' (Russell Oliver) is part of the illiterati? He'll give you his worthless cash for your soon-to-be priceless gold. Oh yeah!!!
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Re: Inflation/Hyperinflation - we may be in for a painful ri

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You would be surprised what commodities are good investments!
On July 26, 2000, two friends, Jim and John, each got a $1000 bonus at work. (They both work for Nortel Networks, where in the summer of 2000, there was LOTS of money around for bonuses). Jim, being an intelligent, financially conscientious person, put the whole $1000 into Nortel Networks stock. With his $1000, and the transaction cost of $35, he was able to purchase 7 shares at $123 each.

Having watched the Nortel stock climb and climb, he felt very good about this investment, happy that he is preparing for the future. John, being a more care-free sort, did something slightly different with his $1000. John borrowed a friend's truck, and proceeded to the Beer Store, where he purchased 33 cases of beer. John also felt very good about his investment: 33 cases x 24 = is 792 bottles of beer! John, also being an intelligent guy, although perhaps not as forward-thinking as Jim, calculated that he could drink about 15 bottles per week, and he wouldn't have to buy beer for a whole year. Jim, of course, was appalled by John's purchase, and berated him constantly about it.

As months went by, Jim excitedly watched the stock prices, and saw it start to dwindle. "It'll go back up", he'd say to John. John, who has been reaping the benefits of his investment on a daily basis, would reply, "Ya, it will. Hang in there buddy ". Months went by, and the value of the stock continued to fall, and there was the beginnings of a noticeable dent in the beer pile. Midwinter came, Jim's stock had fallen to about half of it's original value, and John's beer was about half gone. Jim, being sure that the stock had hit rock-bottom, still was berating John for his frivolous purchase, telling him "Your beer will be gone in six months! Who knows what my stock will be worth!!"

Well, summer has come, and hard times at Nortel continue. Bad news: Both John and Jim have been affected by the layoffs. Last week, in order to raise some cash to help through the rough time, Jim sold his 7 shares, at that day's value of $12*, and got $84, then after paying the $35 transaction fee, he only had $49.

Jim stopped by John's house later that day (everyone needs their friend's during rough times), and as luck would have it, there were two bottles of John's beer left. John, being a good, compassionate friend, offered to share his last two bottles of beer with his friend. Jim appreciated the gesture, and enjoyed the cold beer on the hot summer's day, but he felt a bit guilty. "At least I got fifty bucks back out of it - you have nothing now.", he said. "That's ok.", replied John. "Perhaps you can help me, I need to return all these empties.", he added as his other friend with the truck pulled in. So, they loaded up the truck, and proceeded off to the beer store. Upon arrival at the beer store, they unloaded the empties, feeling a little grim. John went to the counter, and collected his refund for the bottles. "33 cases x 24 bottles, at 10 cents per bottle, that comes to $79.20", the
friendly Beer Store clerk said to John as he handed him the money. Jim was speechless. Poor guy.

Can you imagine how you would feel if you just discovered that over the course of the last year, your $1000 stock investment left you with $50, and taking same 1000, buying beer, and drinking it, would leave you with $80. I'll leave it up to the reader to come up with they're own "moral to the story".

Have a nice day, and happy investing.
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With the way things are going why not invest in black gold (oil), it may be up and down but it has physical worth in all situations, world ending or not
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Cigarettes. Ever seen a smoker go without? They'll pay anything to get a smoke if they run out..
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Re: Inflation/Hyperinflation - we may be in for a painful ri

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Cat Driver wrote:There is no doubt in my mind what I am going to do.

How well I remember 1981 and what happened when interest rates went through the roof and almost every builder went broke over night because they just could not pay the new rates and the houses could not be sold.

Hell by locking in for five years at least I can sleep at night knowing I can pay my mortgage for five years, because for sure rates are going up...real soon I think.
Just what I did too. Lock it for 5 years at 4.14% with ING. Your 3.99 beat me though!
Still, I enjoyed having the variable one for the past 5 years, good call :smt003

I still remember my parents and their 12 or so % interest back in the late 80's.

Just like paying your house with your credit card...
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12% What a great deal!

When I was bleating about 5% for my first mortgage a few years back, my dad (sick of the whinging) went and got his mortgage note from early 1980. The same amount as me, but at 18%. My whine stopped quite quickly after that...

Back to the original topic: KAG, my philosophy has been that the best investment for me has been just getting out of debt. It's been in vogue, over the last 7-10 years, to load up the credit and buy shiny trinkets of consumerism, because 'interest rates are at historic lows' and people can 'afford the payments'. Perhaps so. In my case, I've spent most of my extra, disposable income on my mortgage - with the result that my original, 20 year amortization has been reduced to under 10. There'll be plenty of time to buy big-screen TV's later - when I can pay cash for them.

Besides all of that, my feeling is that if there is some sort of huge financial crash, no investment will be completely safe. Do gold and silver actually have intrinsic worth? Or like all commodities, are they only worth what people are willing to pay for them? If I'm hungry, I'd like a loaf of bread, not an ounce of gold, no matter what it's worth...
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