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Side note, most guys that get hired now are around the age of 30 and will not be getting a full pension nor top aircraft but still don't want to sit in an aircraft any longer then they have to.

What ever happened to freedom 55 you never see those commercials anymore!

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The article & the pilot involved seem to have missed two things.
Retirement at age 60 was negotiated & written into the contract decades ago. This greedy pilot knew that retirement was at 60 from the day he was hired.
The reason he is now #1, (and been in the top 10 for years) was because everyone else ahead of him retired at 60, allowing him to move up.
Now that everyone else got out of his way it seems he wants the rules changed...it was fine you retire d & let me be #1, but now that I'm here I think the rules should change so I can stay here...to hell with all the rest of you.
You will be despised on the flight line for the greed & arrogance.
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7:56 PM on March 11, 2011
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Hey.. you have a negotiated contract between your union and the company... stop your moaning and go to Turkey...
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For 39 years Mike has enjoyed watching about 50-100 pilots retire ahead of him, allowing him to move up the list. Do you think this guy ever said a word about it? Of course not....that's why he's #1...and he let's everyone at the airline know his number. Now, 50 days before retirement, he's found religion.
What a tool this guy is.
And by the way...a good dye job can make a guy look younger, but that bent stoop, a bad back, and cracking bones are a dead giveaway.
Enjoy Turkey.
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If he is looking for sympathy - sorry - no dice.

10 grand a month! Probably health and dental. Definitely cheap airfare.

My god son, your wife should slap you.
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The ONLY reason he is #1, is because hundreds of pilots before him were forced to retire. Now it's your turn. If you want to keep flying, and spend a huge part of your time away from your wife, instead of using your pension and enjoying your free time with her, then I personally think you have a bigger issue that needs to be addressed.
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10:16 PM on March 11, 2011
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Or maybe he should buy a Cessna and take his wife flying. Good points.
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Brent Jang seems to omit some of the most important points. This Captain has created, through his 39 years of votting within a collective union, a system which pays him around $230,000 a year, and at least 400 of his junior peers less than $70,000 a year. His pension will be greater than those 400 pilots wages. Instead of comming up with any sensible ideas of how to fix this pay disparity, this gentleman along with his 150 top paid friends have decided that their human rights are being violated within the system which they built. The CHRT is now involved to assist these poor soles remain where they are (based solely on seniority) while those 400 junior pilots can suck it up and remain at $70,000 a year until those above him die off of natural causes, I guess. Funny how these top paid over 60 gentlemen will require a babysitter under the age of 60 to fly with them, at half their wage or less.
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Give it up.You had a job you loved, and you get a fantastic pension. Now, it is time to find a conscience, and give the young people a chance. Speaking of that, the way things are today, the people who can retire, and are financially able to, do the young, the highest unemployed among us,a favour. To not step aside, the young think is extremely selfish, and no question, they are absolutely right!
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11:31 PM on March 11, 2011
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I wonder did this Mike Ennis speak up when older, more senior pilots retired ahead of him, thereby allowing Mr. Ennis to get to be at the top of the seniority list, or did he quietly sit by and wait until he was in the top 10%?
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Top 10%?
My God, this guy might have maintained a shred of respect amongst his peers if he started his crusade when he was #300.
No, no, no....this clown waited until he was in the op half of the top 1%.
And I can guarantee you that he knows where every penny went. His cheapness is insulting to actual cheap people.
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Wow, and I thought civil servants had a culture of entitlement. I'm not sure who is worse, the 60 year old who wants to hang on to his right to make almost a quarter million a year choosing his destination, or the younger one, trying to push the older guy out. Unbelievable. Note to Air Canada Share Holders. Pay your pilots by the hour. Better yet, sell your shares.
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Are you sure you want the pilot of the plane you're on to be fresh from McDonalds? I'd rather have the pilot earning a quarter million than some marketing executive making 7 figures. There's a reason why Air Canada hasn't had a fatal accident since 1983, pilots are the last thing that you want go cheap on.
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pseudocynic - You're absolutely right, no food stamps for my pilots, thanks. However, I think AC would be better off paying it's incoming pilots more than $43K and letting the +$200k's go @ 60.
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Of course his union will not represent his rediculous position as it would be a gross violation of the collective agreement that he and the union accepted. What a selfish man.
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what an #@$% !
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The rights of the many should always outweigh the rights of the individual. At some point an aging pilot with declining skills will jeopardize the lives of his passengers. We don't ever want to reach that point. At age 60 there is a guarantee that that point is not reached. There cannot be an individual approach to this determination because an error will be made.
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So 30 plus years as a Captain with Canada's largest airline making probably more money than anyone has EVER made is not enough for Captain Ennis?
Whatever happened to retiring with dignity and grace?
Does he have any idea that most of his junior collegues will not log 30 years with the airline in ANY capacity - nevermind 30 years as a Captain!
I feel absoulutely no sympathy for this man. He enjoyed the most sublime pilot's career a person in this country could wish for and he wants more - at the expense of his younger Air Canada pilots.
Respect? I don't think so...
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I have difficulty finding sympathy for this guy who has an issue with retirement at the age of 60, after a long and successful career. What about all the jobless pilots out there? Look at what is happening in the U.S....there are pilots with 15 years experience who are out of work because of the change in retirement age. Do you really want this to happen in Canada? If the Globe and Mail is going to profile this pilot, how about profiling a struggling out of work/junior pilot. Let's fully consider the real world consequences of extending the retirement age, instead of listening to this guy whine about losing his coveted number one seniority number.
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The whole notion of rewarding seniority in this way really irritates me. Why not have it based on performance rather than length of service? Seems logical to me.
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“I’m in good shape. Everybody says I don’t look like I’m turning 60, for sure.”

Oh C'mon Mike.
You've been dying your hair for years and you walk like an 80 year old with that bad back of yours. If I look like that when I'm 60, get me a wheelchair.

Come to think of it, you must be in pretty good shape to keep patting yourself on the back like you have lately, as you bop off about all those "perfect" approaches and landings.

Would you rather retire at the "bottom of your game", with multiple failed rides or worse, a incident/accident?
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This selfish pilot's argument would have been more convincing had he stated his position about two decades ago. But of course, that would not have been in his best interest. Shame on him, that leech.
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I know a little bit about aviation. I am not sure how I would like to hear on pre-flights, ''This is the captain speaking, I am 65 but do not fear, everyone tells me that I do not look that old''.

There is probably a good reason why that rule is in place. I know, some will say that 60 years old people (some anyway) are still able to do things. I agree. If he wants to keep working, he should be teaching, not flying.


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I bet he didnt have a problem with the guys before him getting pushed into retirement, allowing him to move up
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The article & the pilot involved seem to have missed two things.
Retirement at age 60 was negotiated & written into the contract decades ago. This greedy pilot knew that retirement was at 60 from the day he was hired.
The reason he is now #1, (and been in the top 10 for years) was because everyone else ahead of him retired at 60, allowing him to move up.
Now that everyone else got out of his way it seems he wants the rules changed...it was fine you retire d & let me be #1, but now that I'm here I think the rules should change so I can stay here...to hell with all the rest of you.
You will be despised on the flight line for the greed & arrogance.
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Hey.. you have a negotiated contract between your union and the company... stop your moaning and go to Turkey...
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For 39 years Mike has enjoyed watching about 50-100 pilots retire ahead of him, allowing him to move up the list. Do you think this guy ever said a word about it? Of course not....that's why he's #1...and he let's everyone at the airline know his number. Now, 50 days before retirement, he's found religion.
What a tool this guy is.
And by the way...a good dye job can make a guy look younger, but that bent stoop, a bad back, and cracking bones are a dead giveaway.
Enjoy Turkey.
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If he is looking for sympathy - sorry - no dice.

10 grand a month! Probably health and dental. Definitely cheap airfare.

My god son, your wife should slap you.
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The ONLY reason he is #1, is because hundreds of pilots before him were forced to retire. Now it's your turn. If you want to keep flying, and spend a huge part of your time away from your wife, instead of using your pension and enjoying your free time with her, then I personally think you have a bigger issue that needs to be addressed.
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Or maybe he should buy a Cessna and take his wife flying. Good points.
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Brent Jang seems to omit some of the most important points. This Captain has created, through his 39 years of votting within a collective union, a system which pays him around $230,000 a year, and at least 400 of his junior peers less than $70,000 a year. His pension will be greater than those 400 pilots wages. Instead of comming up with any sensible ideas of how to fix this pay disparity, this gentleman along with his 150 top paid friends have decided that their human rights are being violated within the system which they built. The CHRT is now involved to assist these poor soles remain where they are (based solely on seniority) while those 400 junior pilots can suck it up and remain at $70,000 a year until those above him die off of natural causes, I guess. Funny how these top paid over 60 gentlemen will require a babysitter under the age of 60 to fly with them, at half their wage or less.
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Give it up.You had a job you loved, and you get a fantastic pension. Now, it is time to find a conscience, and give the young people a chance. Speaking of that, the way things are today, the people who can retire, and are financially able to, do the young, the highest unemployed among us,a favour. To not step aside, the young think is extremely selfish, and no question, they are absolutely right!
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I wonder did this Mike Ennis speak up when older, more senior pilots retired ahead of him, thereby allowing Mr. Ennis to get to be at the top of the seniority list, or did he quietly sit by and wait until he was in the top 10%?
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Top 10%?
My God, this guy might have maintained a shred of respect amongst his peers if he started his crusade when he was #300.
No, no, no....this clown waited until he was in the op half of the top 1%.
And I can guarantee you that he knows where every penny went. His cheapness is insulting to actual cheap people.
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Wow, and I thought civil servants had a culture of entitlement. I'm not sure who is worse, the 60 year old who wants to hang on to his right to make almost a quarter million a year choosing his destination, or the younger one, trying to push the older guy out. Unbelievable. Note to Air Canada Share Holders. Pay your pilots by the hour. Better yet, sell your shares.
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Are you sure you want the pilot of the plane you're on to be fresh from McDonalds? I'd rather have the pilot earning a quarter million than some marketing executive making 7 figures. There's a reason why Air Canada hasn't had a fatal accident since 1983, pilots are the last thing that you want go cheap on.
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pseudocynic - You're absolutely right, no food stamps for my pilots, thanks. However, I think AC would be better off paying it's incoming pilots more than $43K and letting the +$200k's go @ 60.
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Of course his union will not represent his rediculous position as it would be a gross violation of the collective agreement that he and the union accepted. What a selfish man.
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The rights of the many should always outweigh the rights of the individual. At some point an aging pilot with declining skills will jeopardize the lives of his passengers. We don't ever want to reach that point. At age 60 there is a guarantee that that point is not reached. There cannot be an individual approach to this determination because an error will be made.
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So 30 plus years as a Captain with Canada's largest airline making probably more money than anyone has EVER made is not enough for Captain Ennis?
Whatever happened to retiring with dignity and grace?
Does he have any idea that most of his junior collegues will not log 30 years with the airline in ANY capacity - nevermind 30 years as a Captain!
I feel absoulutely no sympathy for this man. He enjoyed the most sublime pilot's career a person in this country could wish for and he wants more - at the expense of his younger Air Canada pilots.
Respect? I don't think so...
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I have difficulty finding sympathy for this guy who has an issue with retirement at the age of 60, after a long and successful career. What about all the jobless pilots out there? Look at what is happening in the U.S....there are pilots with 15 years experience who are out of work because of the change in retirement age. Do you really want this to happen in Canada? If the Globe and Mail is going to profile this pilot, how about profiling a struggling out of work/junior pilot. Let's fully consider the real world consequences of extending the retirement age, instead of listening to this guy whine about losing his coveted number one seniority number.
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The whole notion of rewarding seniority in this way really irritates me. Why not have it based on performance rather than length of service? Seems logical to me.
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“I’m in good shape. Everybody says I don’t look like I’m turning 60, for sure.”

Oh C'mon Mike.
You've been dying your hair for years and you walk like an 80 year old with that bad back of yours. If I look like that when I'm 60, get me a wheelchair.

Come to think of it, you must be in pretty good shape to keep patting yourself on the back like you have lately, as you bop off about all those "perfect" approaches and landings.

Would you rather retire at the "bottom of your game", with multiple failed rides or worse, a incident/accident?
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This selfish pilot's argument would have been more convincing had he stated his position about two decades ago. But of course, that would not have been in his best interest. Shame on him, that leech.
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I know a little bit about aviation. I am not sure how I would like to hear on pre-flights, ''This is the captain speaking, I am 65 but do not fear, everyone tells me that I do not look that old''.

There is probably a good reason why that rule is in place. I know, some will say that 60 years old people (some anyway) are still able to do things. I agree. If he wants to keep working, he should be teaching, not flying.

[Inceptive]

Thanks for the links to the articles Raymond.. After reading all of the comments in these papers, looks like Mr. Ennis is really a "star" in the eyes of the public.

[Rockie]

Side note, most guys that get hired now are around the age of 30 and will not be getting a full pension nor top aircraft but still don't want to sit in an aircraft any longer then they have to.

What ever happened to freedom 55 you never see those commercials anymore!

Freedom 55 was a lie perpetrated by the financial industry from the get go. Only a rube would believe it.

The average age for many years now getting hired at Air Canada has not been 30, it's been 34-35. Those guys, no matter how much table thumping they do to the contrary now, will be glad for the opportunity when they turn 60 to continue to work if they wish and accumulate more pensionable years. Promises made at age 40 to leave at 60 are utterly worthless bullshit. Now the question to you Mr. Bush pilot is this, if sitting in an aircraft is so objectionable to you or anybody else why did you get into this business in the first place?

[Localizer]

Bill C-481, which received third reading at committee on Tuesday, would repeal a section of the Canadian Human Rights Act which allows federally regulated businesses to terminate employees who’ve reached “the normal age of retirement” in their sector.

The bill will die if an election is called.

Since an election is almost a guarantee at this point (early April) .. I think its safe to say Bill C-481 is dead in the water and won't make it the distance.

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Bill C-481, which received third reading at committee on Tuesday, would repeal a section of the Canadian Human Rights Act which allows federally regulated businesses to terminate employees who’ve reached “the normal age of retirement” in their sector.

The bill will die if an election is called.

Since an election is almost a guarantee at this point (early April) .. I think its safe to say Bill C-481 is dead in the water and won't make it the distance.

Localizer...Why are you worried about Bill C-481 ( your concern is evident). ACPA apparently has this entire situation completely under control. They have done nothing wrong and continue to do nothing wrong and therefore have not put the membership at any risk what-so-ever. Relax....even if an election isn't called and the bill passes ....ACPA has got you covered!

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The Globe and Mail story.........
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-in ... le1939277/

A pilot’s quest to remain at the top
BRENT JANG — TRANSPORTATION REPORTER
From Saturday's Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Mar. 11, 2011 7:30PM EST

This guy will retire with $10,000.00 a MONTH and he is over in Turkey flying at 60+ yrs of age. I know too many(in and outside of aviation) who would love the chance to retire with that kind of pension . To a good few, this AC pilot's pension is like winning a lottery. I guess his whole life is airplanes............ so sad indeed!!!

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"Freedom 55 was a lie perpetrated by the financial industry from the get go. Only a rube would believe it."

I guess our contract was a lie perpetrated by those of you who now fight it.. Only us rube new hires were dumb enough to believe that those of you here before us, would retire at 60!

[bush pilot]

Side note, most guys that get hired now are around the age of 30 and will not be getting a full pension nor top aircraft but still don't want to sit in an aircraft any longer then they have to.

What ever happened to freedom 55 you never see those commercials anymore!

Freedom 55 was a lie perpetrated by the financial industry from the get go. Only a rube would believe it.

The average age for many years now getting hired at Air Canada has not been 30, it's been 34-35. Those guys, no matter how much table thumping they do to the contrary now, will be glad for the opportunity when they turn 60 to continue to work if they wish and accumulate more pensionable years. Promises made at age 40 to leave at 60 are utterly worthless bullshit. Now the question to you Mr. Bush pilot is this, if sitting in an aircraft is so objectionable to you or anybody else why did you get into this business in the first place?

I am sure that that make's you sleep better at night eh the fact that these guys will be glad to have the opportunity to continue to work, and who better to start that trend but the guys who are at the top and will continue to be so till they have their grand exit enroute. If you want to help these guys out you would step aside after you max out your pension so the next guy can have a shot at the same thing.

Sitting in the aircraft is not objectionable I love my job but I would rather be cruising the Caribbean in my sailboat after I turn 60 then going over to Asia and getting another obscene dose of radiation. Way to take it out of context though.

[Johnny Mapleleaf]

I guess our contract was a lie perpetrated by those of you who now fight it.. Only us rube new hires were dumb enough to believe that those of you here before us, would retire at 60!

As a matter of fact, you are correct. Your "contract" as you perceived it was a lie. For example, show me where, as your union President testisfied, you "signed on the dotted line" that everyone would retire at age 60. Fallacy. Show me where your rights under the contract were not subjected to the law of "normal age of retirement". Fallacy. Show me where your contract said the entire exemption under the human rights legislation that permitted mandatory retirement was ever guaranteed. Fallacy.

You contract was valid, with conditions. Your contract as you perceived it was nothing more than an image. So get real. Wake up. This is 2011, not 1957 (the year when the mandatory retirement age of 60 was arbitrarily and unilaterally imposed by Trans-Canada Airlines (now Air Canada)) on all employees.

There are two major underpinnings of the perception of your contract that have both evaporated. First, the "normal age of retirement" is no longer age 60. If Chairman Sinclair can ever put his pen to paper, you will get that message in spades. Air Canada is not "normal." It can't meet the test. The majority of pilots in Canada do not retire at age 60. Hence, your contractual provision, absent the Charter interpretation, is illegal ab initio.

Second, the whole basis of the exemption is toast. The CHRA prohibits discrimination on the basis of age. The mandatory retirement exemption was an exception to the general prohibition against age discrimination. If the exception is gone, age discrimination is illegal. History. So, wake up. You are not standing on shifting sand, you are standing on quicksand. And the contract, as you knew it, was a lie.

Face reality. The isn't about a $130,000 pension. This is about law. And the law does nt countenace your misconceptions.

[Inceptive]

Sitting in the interview room at Air Canada, you believed that you would change the world by working till 65... Fallacy!
You expected those above you to remain till 65... Fallacy!
You now expect to reap further reward by remaining.. Truth!

[Johnny Mapleleaf]

Sitting in the interview room at Air Canada, you believed that you would change the world by working till 65... Fallacy! You expected those above you to remain till 65... Fallacy! You now expect to reap further reward by remaining.. Truth!

I never got an interview with Air Canada. I was hired over the phone on Thursday and told to show up Monday morning. I did. Truth. Nobody every told me about age 60. I learned about it around ten years after I was hired. Truth. Now, go back to your drawing board and come up with some more excuses for punting me.

[SilentMajority]

Sitting in the interview room at Air Canada, you believed that you would change the world by working till 65... Fallacy!
You expected those above you to remain till 65... Fallacy!
You now expect to reap further reward by remaining.. Truth!

No, not really....just trying to do what virtually every other carrier on this planet has allowed their pilots to do since...... 2006.

[bush pilot]

[quote="Johnny Mapleleaf
Face reality. The isn't about a $130,000 pension. This is about law. And the law does not favour your misconceptions.[/quote]

Your right this is about the top 10% getting to best paying jobs out there and making the rest sit on their coat tails even longer then was agreed to. By the way while you are up at the top enjoying one of your many days off or perfectly situated vacation days while you go past 60 do you mind coming over to keep my son and daughter company on their birthdays, Christmas, first dance recital, hockey games etc. while I have to slog it out at the bottom for another god knows how many years.

What is your benifit from all this Mapleleaf do you need more then $130000 for another 5 years or just have nothing else to do after?

[bush pilot]

Sitting in the interview room at Air Canada, you believed that you would change the world by working till 65... Fallacy!
You expected those above you to remain till 65... Fallacy!
You now expect to reap further reward by remaining.. Truth!

No, not really....just trying to do what virtually every other carrier on this planet has allowed their pilots to do since...... 2006.

Just wondering how many of those Carriers have pensions? looking it up right now?

[SilentMajority]

Sitting in the interview room at Air Canada, you believed that you would change the world by working till 65... Fallacy!
You expected those above you to remain till 65... Fallacy!
You now expect to reap further reward by remaining.. Truth!

No, not really....just trying to do what virtually every other carrier on this planet has allowed their pilots to do since...... 2006.

Just wondering how many of those Carriers have pensions? looking it up right now?

Good...and while you're at it....look up the word...."MYOPIA".

[bush pilot]

Good...and while you're at it....look up the word...."MYOPIA".

What I do SEE clearly is that the Baby boomers at the top always want more!

By the way yourname, is that like silent as in till your at the top?

[bush pilot]

Some do not have pension any more or never did and working to 65 is not a choice anymore its a reality where as are case is different.

[Johnny Mapleleaf]

What is your benifit from all this Mapleleaf do you need more then $130000 for another 5 years or just have nothing else to do after?

No. This is not about me. It is about reality. Coming face to face with the fact that the change is upon us and the fact that the players are irrlelevant. It is no longer a question of Why? but rather a question of How? How do we adapt, with the minimum adverse impact on those most adversely affected?

[Inceptive]

Johnny Mapleleaf,

You never noticed that there were no pilots over the age of 60, for 10 years..
You were never interested with your pension, or when you may draw it, for 10 years..
You were never curious of your career progression, for 10 years..
Okay..
Punting you? I simply wrote about us new hire rubes, which led you into a legal rant..

Silent Majority,

No fight, however, could you please post which of these carriers who increased their age to
65 in 2006, exist in an equipment based seniority pay system, with a defined pension plan that
was not affected in bankruptcy. If you want to live in their world, then lets talk about moving
forward into a status pay system with a defined contribution plan..
Otherwise it's apples to basketballs..

[SilentMajority]

Good...and while you're at it....look up the word...."MYOPIA".

What I do SEE clearly is that the Baby boomers at the top always want more!

By the way yourname, is that like silent as in till your at the top?

Never was silent...always a big mouth. I remember being junior (like forever) and missing all of those events and family happenings that you have mentioned. I even missed my oldest daughter's graduation which I am still hearing about to this very day....and where were those senior guys who might have volunteered to help out....nowhere to be seen that's where....b##tards everyone of them.

[bush pilot]

What is your benifit from all this Mapleleaf do you need more then $130000 for another 5 years or just have nothing else to do after?

No. This is not about me. It is about reality. Coming face to face with the fact that the change is upon us and the fact that the players are irrlelevant. It is no longer a question of Why? but rather a question of How? How do we adapt, with the minimum adverse impact on those most adversely affected?

Generation screwed!!!!!

How would you say to a reduction in pay so my group could get a nice pay raise. You know since we will have to stay at the bottom for longer. I meen all you want is to stay and do what you love so much, money is not the reason!!