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Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission

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Where's Iggy and Jack now saying "what are these fighters for, why do we need them and what's their mission?".

Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission

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A Canadian Forces CF-18 sits in its hangar at the air base in Inuvik, Northwest Territories on Thursday Aug. 28, 2008. (Tom Hanson / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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Date: Thursday Mar. 17, 2011 7:52 PM ET

Canada will contribute six CF-18 fighter jets to help enforce a no-fly zone in Libya, sources have told CTV News.

"The Canadian government has made the decision late today that Canada will send six CF-18 fighter jets to join the Americans, the British and the French and other countries that will participate in imposing a no-fly zone," CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife reported Thursday.

After weeks of speculation the UN Security Council has moved to "establish a ban on all flights in the airspace" in the North African country and authorized "all necessary measures" to protect civilians, according to the draft version of a resolution.

The resolution also demanded an immediate ceasefire and called on Gadhafi to "take all measures to protect civilians and meet their basic needs."

Word of the resolution was greeted by celebrations in the rebel-held town of Benghazi. The UN vote came shortly after Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi warned of a massive military offensive on the town.

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This is precisely the type of mission the F-35 is suited for. As Robert Gates said, the first step in imposing a no-fly zone is destroying Libyan air defences, a task made much easier when the aircraft is barely visible on radar. The F-18 isn't much more modern than some of the Libyan fighters, and the F-35 would give us a distinct advantage in this conflict. So much for the naysayers who couldn't foresee a mission for our fighters in the next fifty years.
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What they will need is 2 dozens A10 to protect civilian....
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But those are old and useless, and can be replaced by F-16s.... :roll: At least, that was the idea 20 years ago, before they proved their usefulness.
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A little too late don't you think?
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Auxbaton, don't know if you're going, but, to them that are..........


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No fly zone + Libyan Jets = Dead . Not to late at all .
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I certainly hope it's not too late but the time used to decide on the no-fly zone didn't help. From the sound of the UN resolution, do you think the pilots will engage ground forces as well? After all, they won't put boots on the ground.
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modi13 wrote: The F-18 isn't much more modern than some of the Libyan fighters
Our CF-18's have been upgraded to Super Hornet levels, more or less.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/boe ... ers-01769/
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frosti wrote:Our CF-18's have been upgraded to Super Hornet levels, more or less.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/boe ... ers-01769/
Actually, the current upgrades are altering them from A/B models to C/D models, which is still only late 80s technology. If they were equivalent to Super Hornets, there wouldn't be anyone advocating the purchase of the E/F models instead of buying the F-35.
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Nobody will risk flying such expensive hardware at the F-35s until the area is secure... :smt040
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modi13 wrote:
frosti wrote:Our CF-18's have been upgraded to Super Hornet levels, more or less.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/boe ... ers-01769/
Actually, the current upgrades are altering them from A/B models to C/D models, which is still only late 80s technology. If they were equivalent to Super Hornets, there wouldn't be anyone advocating the purchase of the E/F models instead of buying the F-35.
I'm saying that some of the Super Hornet tech is in the CF-18's right now.

Those advocating the purchase of the E/F models are idiots. "Canadian Air Force: Flying yesterdays technology, tomorrow!" :roll:
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Curious to see if the US sends a few F-22's as a proof of technology test.
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winds_in_flight_wtf wrote:No fly zone + Libyan Jets = Dead . Not to late at all .
So they tell us. Any proof of this ? For 40 years the west turned a blind eye to this guy.

Is anyone else sick of government using no-bid contracts for spending our money, to take over yet another oil rich country?? Making war? Do we really care about arabs all of a sudden? :roll:

Drop bombs on the ones in afghan and iraq,but suddenly care deeply about other arabs? :roll:

Let's defend our own borders. If a canadian is stuck in a mexican jail or somewhere, rotting away with no trial, Harper says and I quote "we do not interfere in a soverign country". But when it comes to taking over an oil country with the other globalists, then our bodies and money are no problem at all.

WAR is a business and business is good. The pipelines, natrual resources, roads, cell phone networks, you name it are all under private corporate control in iraq now. Big bucks. No bid contracts

If my city is iever being invaded I will fight to the death. but I'm not flying over to some deserrt to die for a bunch of poor arabs and rich corporations.

Some of you will not be able to handle this truth, others will
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Ahem, learn from history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NATO_ ... Yugoslavia

The bombings led to the withdrawal of Yugoslav forces from Kosovo, establishment of UNMIK, a UN mission in Kosovo and put an end to the Yugoslav Wars of the 1990s. The bombing campaign was also widely criticized, especially for the large number of civilian casualties that resulted from the bombing.



Why do some people think their lives are worth LESS than ours and they deserve death from above??? If they did this to us it would be the "greatest terror attack of all time"?!?!?!?!
Our school kids would remember it every year.




Civilians killed by NATO airstrikesMain article: Targeting of civilian areas during Operation Allied Force
Yugoslavia claimed that NATO attacks caused between 1,200 and 5,700 civilian casualties. NATO acknowledged killing at most 1,500 civilians. Human Rights Watch counted a minimum of 488 civilian deaths (90 to 150 of them killed from cluster bomb use) in 90 separate incidents. Attacks in Kosovo overall were more deadly—a third of the incidents account for more than half of the deaths.[76]

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If they are planning to knock out the Libyan air force, it would seem easiest to use tomahawk cruise missiles to take out the fixed radar installations, and then use unmanned drones armed with missiles to take out the Libyan fighters and helicopters while they are on the ground refueling.

.... unless the the rules of engagement for a "no fly zone" means that it is mandatory to catch them in the air....
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Edited by ahramin. Lets try to act like intelligent adults please. Read the forum rules if in doubt.
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Our good buddy Gaddafi. :roll:

Friends with UK, Italy, France, US. A friend of the globalist, until he got out of line. TIme to change the guard, install a new dictator.

Do you see, we are being lied to in the so called news media??

They are playing us like fools. FOr 40 years they supported this dictator.

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Some of the “top guns” conveniently overlook the fact that practically all of the Mid-East dictators/despots hate each other as much as they hate the west and said despots will turn on each other at will. Iraq/Iran anyone…….. We (west) kissed Saddam’s arse and the arse-kissing is alive and well as expected (courtesy of D-A photo opportunity). With that it’s “need for parliamentary democracy, school girls can attend class”, drugs gets tossed into the brew – then poor old Neville Chamber land’s name is added for measure. Then here we go again……….. sorry, how dare I forget that date (9/11), . that into the foray as well. A lot die, many profit handsomely and a new friend (and next decade’s bogyman) arrives on the scene. It goes around,around,around…………………………
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Edited by ahramin. Lets try to act like intelligent adults. Read the forum rules if in doubt.
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That's how it works everywhere not just for mideast dictators. If the US reinstated slavery and bombed Mexico the world would than push for regime change there too.

Dash-ate, you have a very selfish and self centered view on the world. It's a good thing the majority of world citizens don't think like you. What you fail to realize is that you may want to defend only yourself BUT it's easier to defend yourself and your interests early and before things get out of hand. Are you the type of person to watch your neighbours house burn down with hose in hand waiting but not helping just incase the fire spreads to your house?

Peace unfortunatly in many parts of the world will only arrive at the end of a gun. Dictators only understand violence since if they employed other means they would have been voted/booted out of power decades ago
Dash-Ate wrote:Friends with UK, Italy, France, US. A friend of the globalist, until he got out of line. TIme to change the guard, install a new dictator.

Do you see, we are being lied to in the so called news media??

They are playing us like fools. FOr 40 years they supported this dictator.
Absolutly but I wouldn't call us all friends. Libya and it's leader were tollerated since he renounced terrorism and pledged to work with the world instead of against it. Encouraging those actions is important as is also giving someone the benefit of the doubt. Catch is if they misbehave you gotta step in which is what we are doing. If your friend started beating the shit out of someone he was having a non physical debate with and was doing serious harm to said other person would you stand by and do nothing? If you tried to stop your friend and he just hit the stranger harder would you not than clock your friend across the face yourself?

Everyone says oil is not worth fighting for, "no blood for oil" blah blah blah. Well guess what, our world runs on it and yes, we all need it, have to have it and can't live with out it. It a sad reality but it is reality. The human cost is important too but make no mistake, destabilizing the world economy is also a huge factor in global decisions. You ever wonder why the world didn't really intervene in Sudan? Cost benefit analysis didn't add up. In my opinion the UN/NATO or whoever should have gone in guns blazing, bombed the President's mansion and said "next one to pick up a gun gets a bullet between the eyes". The civil war would have been over in days.

The bombing campaign in the former Yugoslavia did cost some civilian lives but how many lives were lost during the civil war? The bombing campaign ended that war and now look, they all still hate each other but no war.

Dictators understand one thing.

BTW the threat of action has already caused "our buddy" to call a ceasefire. Imagine that.

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........... and those 58,000 names on that black granite wall chant" hey,hey LBJ - how many kids you kill today......"
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<<<Old fella Post subject: Re: Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' missionPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:59 pm
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Are you a Viet Nam vet or were you a war protester? Dare I ask if you dodged the draft and slinked into Canada?
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Old fella wrote:........... and those 58,000 names on that black granite wall chant" hey,hey LBJ - how many kids you kill today......"
The war would have ended years before it did, had concrete action been taken earlier without political games. The bombing campaigns slowed the war and forced the North to the table but like many things in Vietnam the force was stopped everyone sat back and let all sides regroup than picked up where they left off months earlier. Not to mention save havens in Laos and Cambodia. Kinda reminds me of the Pakistani save havens prolonging the war in Afghanistan. Invade that area of Pakistan and the war would be over or atleast deminished sunstantially. I'm not a war monger but I do believe in doing it right the first time or don't do it at all.

WWII ended the way it did because they went after the Germans and Japanese regardless of where they were.

Wow, squaking 7700, sorry.

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