New TA reached!

[hypoxic]

New TA was reached last night! Details to come in the next few days!

[yyz monkey]

Time to stock up on the vaseline & preparation H?

[flyinhigh]

I heard that everyone gets pre-CCAA wages and work conditions however your giving up the embrares to Sky Regional.

[snag]

In the Financial Post:

Air Canada announced Friday it had reached a tentative agreement with its pilots union.

The Air Canada Pilots Association is first of the airline's unions to reach a preliminary deal with the airline.

The contract, which was negotiated outside of formal collective bargaining, will now go before the union's executive council ahead of a ratification vote by the union's members. The pilots current contract expires on March 31.

No details will be given about the deal until the vote is concluded.

Air Canada must renegotiate its labour contracts with all of its unions in 2011 after its employee groups granted the airline a 21-month moratorium on its pension contributions and a wage freeze over the same period in 2009 as it struggled financially through the recession.

The Canadian Auto Workers, which represents 3,800 sales and service agents at the airline, has been negotiating with the airline since Feb. 11. It applied last week to the federal government to have a conciliation officer appointed to those talks in order to get some traction in the negotiations.

The CAW members have been working without a contract since Feb. 28.

The Air Canada Component of CUPE, which represents 6,500 flight attendants at the airline and whose contract ends on March 31, will begin their talks on April 6.

But a deal with the The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, which represents the baggage handlers and mechanics at the airline, is not expected to be coming soon. Its members are still in the process of determining which employees will join the Air Canada bargaining unit and who will make up the unit negotiating with Aveos Fleet Incorporated, which was spun off form Air Canada in 2004. Union leaders have said a new deal may not be reached until the fall.

http://www.financialpost.com/news/Canad ... story.html

[desksgo]

Just a TA or did they end up getting an RA with it as well? Scary stuff. Hope all involved made it out.

[yyz monkey]

But a deal with the The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, which represents the baggage handlers and mechanics at the airline, is not expected to be coming soon. Its members are still in the process of determining which employees will join the Air Canada bargaining unit and who will make up the unit negotiating with Aveos Fleet Incorporated, which was spun off form Air Canada in 2004. Union leaders have said a new deal may not be reached until the fall.

[twinpratts]

Good to hear it, hope it's good news for all the Pilots involved.

[RFN]

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[vortac]

I heard that everyone gets pre-CCAA wages and work conditions however your giving up the embrares to Sky Regional.

Calling you dense would be a severe understatement.

[flyinhigh]

I heard that everyone gets pre-CCAA wages and work conditions however your giving up the embrares to Sky Regional.

Calling you dense would be a severe understatement.

Hi, I would like to introduce you to my new friend sarcasm....

[Sage]

Just to let you all know, the ACPA membership has not seen or heard what is in this TA. Our MEC is currently awaiting to hear from the negots committee what they negotiated. They will need to review it and vote on whether or not it is worthwhile to present to the membership for a vote. Anybody out there who may have heard what is in there from a friend of a friend's cousin while talking to another cousin's girlfriend is out to lunch. I'm constantly hearing from people outside of ACPA membership what they "know" is in this TA. Give me a break!

[turbo-beaver]

"The contract, which was negotiated outside of formal collective bargaining, will now go before the union's executive council ahead of a ratification vote by the union's members. The pilots current contract expires on March 31."

What is with this comment? It sounds to me like the MEC has gone to the company behind the backs of the negots committee so I cannot wait to see what will come out of this.

And, when are they going to enlighten the troops? Normally when the union achieves a TA the first thing they do is schedule roadshows and present it to the troops with their recommendation.

[rudder]

And, when are they going to enlighten the troops? Normally when the union achieves a TA the first thing they do is schedule roadshows and present it to the troops with their recommendation.

Normally, a TA is an agreement in principle that is presented to the MEC for a decision on whether it is in an acceptable summary of changes that will be submitted for ratification by the membership. If accepted by the MEC, then final contract language must be drafted in conjunction with the company. It is normally that final language that is included in the package that is presented at the roadshows.

It may take a while to draft the ZIP II LOU language

[turbo-beaver]

Yea, but presented to the MEC by whom? The news release stated the TA was reached outside of the collective bargaining process. That can only mean, that the company approached the MEC with a deal, without consultation with the bargaining committee entrusted to reach an agreement with the company. So, in this topsy-turvey process, perhaps we now have the MEC trying to convince the Bargaining Committee that this is the best deal they could achieve, rather than the other way around. Regardless, if it is a decent agreement, it really doesn't matter how they got there.

So, if the MEC has reached a deal, which the news release alludes to, lets hear it. Show us the meat!

[Brick Head]

It may take a while to draft the ZIP II LOU language

Sage,

It would appear to me the cat is out of the proverbial bag. Although I am reasonably certain all that is in circulation is a very brief summary. Tough to get specific details from.

Turbo,

That only means formal bargaining was never filed with the Gov't. The negots committee negotiated this. Rudder and Sage or correct. This has to pass at the MEC before being presented to the membership.

Rudder,

Not ZIP II though.

Let me see.

Tango- used
Jazz used
Song used
Chorus used

I'm going with Hip-Hop or Swing

[What About Me?]

How about AIR ERR?

[777longhaul]

NOTE: THIS INFORMATION IS NOT MINE. IT IS NOT VERIFIED.

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I am pleased to advise you that at 2350EDT on March 17th, (St. Patrick’s Day), the Negotiating Committee reached a Tentative Agreement with the Company.

The Committee believes that this agreement has successfully provided significant gains to the contract that address the wishes of our pilots in all the key priorities identified by the WAWCON surveys.

There is a significant pay increase provided from a variety of improvements- grouping, training pay, expenses, etc and an across the board pay rate increase. It is a four year agreement which was necessary to capture value in the grouping system.

Our Pension Plan has been secured with funding changes that restrict the Company from taking funding holidays in the event of a surplus while providing increased MPU’s. There is a valuation process included which provides a mechanism that determines benefit reductions. A good DC plan is included for new hires.

Scope protections are included that restrict domestic outsourcing while providing a diversification of our Tier 2 flying away from Jazz. Also, LCC based on our competitors’ pilot agreements.

Streamlined scheduling rules and the removal of many associated irritants. A much simplified contract based on the Clarity Document.

This obviously is just a nutshell version and not at all worthy of the months of hard work performed by our team, however I hope it provides enough of a sketch until a more detailed explanation can be provided by the Negotiating Committee.

I will be releasing a Negots Update to the membership shortly with a Press Release to follow. Paul Howard is out of the country on holidays but we are using our back up PR firm until he returns.

I need to discuss time frames in more detail with Eric but for now I am targeting April 18th as the closing date for the ratification process. The Negots team needs to compile the new contract and format it into a detailed presentation for the MEC. However, they also need some much needed down time to re-acquaint themselves with their families. Right now I am planning to have a Special MEC meeting during the week of March 28th with roadshows commencing the first week of April.

I will try to provide another MEC newsletter on Monday.

Regards,

Bruce[/quote]

[turbo-beaver]

Why am I not surprised that this MEC would negotiate better benefits for themselves and then turn around and sell the new hires down the road with a defined contribution pension plan creating a new class of pilots.

[buss]

"Scope protections are included that restrict domestic outsourcing while providing a diversification of our Tier 2 flying away from Jazz."
The above statement has the potential of creating huge changes in the Canadian aviation industry.
Also, as the age of new hires is all over the board a DCP isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[mbav8r]

Scope protections are included that restrict domestic outsourcing while providing a diversification of our Tier 2 flying away from Jazz. Also, LCC based on our competitors’ pilot agreements.

GAME ON, I hope you all get whats coming to you, all who vote yes to this, remember what goes around comes around. You want to screw with my livelyhood, I'll fly the F_$%n embraer for peanuts and free coffee, well not really, but that'll be the end result.

[600RVR]

777longhaul, not sure why you would post a internal Memo to fellow MEC members, yes it was leaked but leaked to ACPA members. The full guts of this TA is not out to the members, no roadshows and the MEC hasn't voted on it yet. This is a internal matter for ACPA pilots not for the general public. Its pretty low for you to post this memo.


600RVR

[yycflyguy]

Scope protections are included that restrict domestic outsourcing while providing a diversification of our Tier 2 flying away from Jazz. Also, LCC based on our competitors’ pilot agreements.

GAME ON, I hope you all get whats coming to you, all who vote yes to this, remember what goes around comes around. You want to screw with my livelyhood, I'll fly the F_$%n embraer for peanuts and free coffee, well not really, but that'll be the end result.

Chill out... or lay off the free coffee. It has you a little jumpy.

Read my posts in General section. Nothing has been even presented to the membership. Inflammatory comments like that are the reason people can't get over the past.

I, for one, was happy when Jazz got their career contract. Maybe you could return some good vibes? This is more than just ALPA v ACPA. There is an entire generation of pilots getting themselves sucked into this toxic whipsawing between groups. Nothing is being done to spite you and your livelihood. It is about negotiating a deal for OUR guys this time.

[yycflyguy]

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=72385&start=50

Let me nip that in the bud.

At this point, the negotiations committee has a proposal to present to the MEC. They are presently gathering all the details and preparing a presentation package to the MEC who will then debate the various pros and cons of the proposal. The MEC has yet to see the proposal, have not debated it and have not approved it. It is technically not a TA. IF, and it is a very big IF the MEC passes the proposal they do the roadshow thing to present it to the membership where it is subjected to the ratification process. DO NOT EXPECT THIS PROPOSAL TO PASS IN ITS PRESENT (RUMOURED) FORM.

At this point, there has only been rumour and speculation as to what it contains. A discount division of mainline is an easy "no" to anyone who I have spoken to. The rumour mill on the Air Canada Pilots Private forum is at full steam and guys are pissed.

Like I said, some of us are working on better conditions for all.

The next generation of new-hires should be happy to know that our priority to a new CBA is increased new hire pay and true formula on the Embraer. In its present form, it is totally, 100% unacceptable

[777longhaul]

600RVR

Read the begining of my post, you must have missed that. I do not know where it came from, when, or who may or may not have leaked it from the MEC or anywhere eles. It is a reproduction, of some one else's post. It is not mine, nor, have I verified it.

If....someone on the MEC leaked it, then you should direct your "low" at them for doing it in the first place.

I gather, from reading this forum, as I am not allowed on the ACP forum, that this information has been posted there. Is that correct???

[hithere]

Has there been any change to pass travel priorities in this TA?