Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission

[Old fella]

thanks for pointing that out to me "ef" and kudos to the USA, but what about other nations of the industrialized/free/western word. I would have liked us to throw everything we(Canada) got(C-17's, ships, transport, medical and whatever) for aid to Japan and to hell with the camel-driver and his smelly tents. Let the IAF or the CAI do it's thing there take him out then the Libyians can get their country back without this despot - unless they lack the interest and install another creep like the current one

[Hawkerflyer]

Canada will contribute six CF-18 fighter jets to help enforce a no-fly zone in Libya, sources have told CTV News.

Holy shit! They're sending all we got! Who will keep those Ruskies away from our fine looking Inuit women?

[akoch]

Final thought.

On the other side of the word a country has been hit quite hard unprecedented in the annals of natural destruction, nuke meltdowns possible. This country has a stable democracy and believes in the rule of law. It has been an economic powerhouse and quietly goes about its business and interferes with very few, if any. The might of the western world including its vast military resources (and it is awesome) should be put at the disposable of Japan – it needs it. Yet NATO and the UN to a lesser degree has a brain fart on dealing with that aging dysfunctional camel-driver a kinda of target practice for the top guns and their fast movers chasing tents/camels in the Sahara desert. Libya is but a pimple on the arse of worldly good and if said pimple has to be plucked, then may I recommend the Israeli air force.
Let us go with our knowledge/resources/logistics and undisputable ability of supply – yes, the military to where it is needed. No doubt Japan is watching and wondering and will remember in the decades ahead.
Over and out.

Old fella, have you recently seen the Japan oil reserves map? You might want to check it out.

[Dash-Ate]

I hope our bombs hit their targets and cause maximum death, maiming, and destruction as possible! I wanna see bodies piled high, limbs scattered. I can handle it. Go over there and GET THEM!! HELL YAH!! I want it to be like a video game, I want TV footage of shock and awe.

I have supreme moral authority here, in fact we pray to our god before every battle. Our violence is justified and necessary. To all your limp wristed leftties who whine and moan about "civillian casualities". Well to you I say they should have gotten out of the way. Human shields!! They will learn to love the air raid sirens, and pulling people out of rubble. It builds character.
I like being one of the good guys, the sane ones. Little girls going to school soon!

Our bombs know who the "bad guys" are (they think naughty thoughts!).

This is a GREAT day to be a Canadian. God speed, out moral god will protect us in battle.
Our bombs and missles have just liberated a country we ignored for 40 years.

[Moose47]

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Location: Placarded INOP I hope our bombs hit their targets and cause maximum death, maiming, and destruction as possible! I wanna see bodies piled high, limbs scattered. I can handle it. Go over there and GET THEM!! HELL YAH!! I want it to be like a video game, I want TV footage of shock and awe.>>>

Right on Ate. That's what every true red-blooded Canadian wants. I hope they stack the bodies so high it blocks out the sun!

[Moose47]

<<<They will learn to love the air raid sirens,>>>

I just had my telephone ringtone changed to the sound of an air raid siren.

[MrWings]

I would have liked us to throw everything we(Canada) got(C-17's, ships, transport, medical and whatever) for aid to Japan

But the Japanese don't want that. They have all the help they need within their own country. They aren't asking for outsider assistance on the ground.

What they are asking for is money. So, how much have you contributed?

Perhaps instead of telling people what they need, you should first ask what they need. Like in Libya where they haven't asked for ground troops ... yet. They asked for a no-fly zone. Something they can't enforce on their own. The UN responded.

[Beefitarian]

Canada will contribute six CF-18 fighter jets to help enforce a no-fly zone in Libya, sources have told CTV News.

Holy shit! They're sending all we got! Who will keep those Ruskies away from our fine looking Inuit women?

Relax, they think we bought F-35s.

[TG]

Come on Dash-Ate...You are getting as tiring as the dude who was always posting bad things about cops.

Our bombs and missles have just liberated a country we ignored for 40 years.

Not liberating, Col "Mad"dafi is not the target. They are just protecting civilians.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12802939

The chief of UK armed forces said attacks on Libya's leader were "not allowed" under a UN resolution calling for the protection of Libyan civilians.
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A French defence ministry spokesman, Laurent Tesseire, also said the aim of the strikes was solely to protect civilians and Col Gaddafi himself was not a target.

They might be some backstage actions but I don't know anything about it from my comfy chair in Canada. And so do you!

[Old fella]

I would have liked us to throw everything we(Canada) got(C-17's, ships, transport, medical and whatever) for aid to Japan

But the Japanese don't want that. They have all the help they need within their own country. They aren't asking for outsider assistance on the ground.

What they are asking for is money. So, how much have you contributed?

Perhaps instead of telling people what they need, you should first ask what they need. Like in Libya where they haven't asked for ground troops ... yet. They asked for a no-fly zone. Something they can't enforce on their own. The UN responded.

Fair comment........ now you can go back to your war game. Do enjoy!

[Expat]

This war is beginning to show side effects. The world is very devided on the issue, and already criticism is mounting against the countries taking part. Even the EU and NATO show cracks, with three countries, Poland, Germany and Turkey opposing the strikes. For Canada, nothing bad to fear, as we are like the dog running besides the wagon...

[Brewguy]

I like the way Canada has handled this, so far.

We deployed the aircraft and support crews. They didn't start flying until today (as armed escorts), but still haven't started blowing stuff up yet. The latest I read was that:
a) The deployment was authorized by the PM, but the commons wasn't sitting until today, so no 'official' support from Parliament yet .... so no shooting stuff; and
b) The CF wants to have a clear mission. Rules of engagement, command structure, etc.

Good on them! The US administration is apparently being taken to task by the congress on their actions to date. And the UK put their foot in their mouth by saying that Gadaffi could be taken out with surgical strikes, something that goes far beyond the UN mandate, and are now doing a bit of damage control on that.

Of course, we all wish we could do like the French did and just start ass-kicking; but there's something to be said for getting all your ducks in a row before you start blowing stuff up.

[Expat]

Medium term effects will be interesting to watch, as the Arab League countries also feel pressure at home, and whatever happens in Libya is instantly known to citizens and governments alike, in the region...
Saudi's support for the NFZ, coupled with their support to the Bahrain crush is odd, to say the least... The put themselves in a lose-lose situation...

[Beefitarian]

For Canada, nothing bad to fear, as we are like the dog running besides the wagon...

That got a legitimate laugh out loud from me.

Do you work over there Ex?

[Expat]

For Canada, nothing bad to fear, as we are like the dog running besides the wagon...

That got a legitimate laugh out loud from me.

Do you work over there Ex?

Of course I don't! My job is to teach, train, supervise 65 locals, and capacity-build... My work consists of sitting in front of a comp all day, and my relaxation is sitting in front of a comp all evening!

[Beefitarian]

Sounds perfect! You probably need skills or worse yet certification in something though.

[Expat]

Sounds perfect! You probably need skills or worse yet certification in something though.

You need skills to get in, but have to be nuts to stay 6 years...

[20DMEYYZ]

hope my image imbedding worked?

any-who is it just me or did someone leave the rudder control lock on.

anyone know what that is??

My french is not that good, but it looks like it is an antenna for the aircrafts self protection jammer(s)
http://www.netmarine.net/aero/aeronefs/ ... hoto08.htm

couldn't figure out what the OP was pointing out till you stated the obvious , lol . yes , has to be something like that... the tornado gr4 also has a similar tail feature .

[20DMEYYZ]

Gaddy opened the armories, and distributed weapons to the supportes. Civil war is coming there, no doubt.
BTW, I saw F-18s on Al-Jazeera. Must be ours...

possible , you'll definetely know if their our's by the phantom canopy unique to the cf-118's . you could also of seen footage of USN superhornet's that have been flying in the radar jamming role during interdiction since i don't beleive any ea-6b's are in theatre and the f4-j's are long gone . also , i earlier mentioned the Dutch may be contributing f-16's , it appear's it is the Danish AF instead .

[Flying Nutcracker]

Buyer be aware... Seems to me there was enough said in advance of this resolution passing, to indicate or, at least let people know that a no-fly zone in fact means more than making sure nobody flies in the zone. It involves military strikes against surface to air threats and that, in my eyes means... Bombing!!! With bombing comes... damage! And with damage comes... injuries and death! And with injuries and death comes... The worlds best propaganda machine, the very same machine that told media that there were no demonstrations happening and people were all in support of the Leader, even though live video was showing chaos and uprising!

There were even western officials saying that a no-fly zone was "not an efficient way of reducing the attacks against the rebels and civilians" before the UN resolution was passed. But, I guess... since it passed, the coalition kind of had to go ahead. It seems to me that there really isn't as much the air threat, but what's moving on the ground that is the problem down there. So the French decided to play hardball... They seemed very eager to get involved for some reason.

My point in all this is that only a few fully realized the full meaning of the "no-fly zone" terminology until the Tomahawks started hitting stuff in Libya. The mission that is being carried out is nothing more than establishing a no-fly zone, IMHO. The propaganda machine will probably do its best to prove me wrong.

A few articles about stuff... that I found interesting and somewhat objective about what so many have a windsock subjectivity about.


http://www.diplomacist.org/archives/537

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/13/world ... one&st=cse


Internal split in Russia... election year next year!

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNew ... 47846.html

Let's not forget why we are where we are...

http://www.historyguy.com/libya_unrest_ ... e_2011.htm

Gadafi not sane...

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/28/e ... =allsearch

I am glad Canada is contributing and will help enforce the zone now that most of the threats are taken out by others doing the dirty work. And that is not a sarcastic statement, it is meant as to say that I am glad that our guys will be in an environment that has a lower threat level to make their job easier and safer! That is what the Tomahawks are for, if you catch my drift...

Back in to hiding for me...

[Old fella]

Good show...........

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/arti ... ssion?bn=1

[Expat]

Excellent show... We are not there to carpet bomb...

[Brewguy]

Internal split in Russia...

My theory is that Putin got a little irked by the level of condemnation Libya was getting over launching air strikes against their own civilian population. Probably because he is one of only a handful of world leaders who thinks that type of activity is okay and justifiable.

Putin strikes me as the kind of guy who wouldn't hesitate for a second before sending the Russian air force to quell an internal rebellion within Russia.

But I am quite surprised his puppet would speak out against him in public ....

[Flying Nutcracker]

Much like China...

[Romantic Lung]

Germany Withdraws From NATO Naval Patrols
(from new york times march 23rd 2011)

BERLIN — Germany, already at odds with its European allies and Washington over its decision not to support a United Nations no-fly zone over Libya, said on Wednesday it was withdrawing four vessels from NATO operations in the Mediterranean because it did not want to be dragged into a military role in the region, Defense Minister Thomas de Maizière, said on Wednesday.

The decision means that Germany will withdraw two frigates and two support vessels with a total of 550 sailors from NATO’s command and place them under its own orders. It was made after the NATO secretary general, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, announced that the alliance would monitor sea traffic in the region and intercept vessels suspected of carrying illegal arms or mercenaries to Libya.

“All allies are committed to meet their responsibilities under the United Nations resolution to stop the intolerable violence against Libyan civilians,” Mr. Rasmussen said.

But the German Defense Ministry said that because the mission included an arms embargo that permitted force if necessary, Germany decided it would not participate.

“Either we take part or we don’t,” Mr. de Maizière said. The alliance, he added, “must make it possible for other opinions,” he added.

Germany, a nonpermanent member of the Security Council,, abstained from the vote last week authorizing the use of force in Libya that was supported by the United States, Britain and France — the countries that are spearheading the air campaign.

Germany ‘s stance infuriated France. But German lawmakers said Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president, had failed to consult his European allies. In a bid to placate its allies, Chancellor Angela Merkel won support from her cabinet on Wednesday to send up to 300 more troops to Afghanistan where they would carry out Airborne Warning and Control System operations over the country.

Germany already has 4,700 troops serving in Afghanistan, despite the growing unpopularity the war.

“We want to relieve the strain on NATO by putting our German troops back into planes over there,” Mr. de Maizière said. “This would be a genuine relief for NATO and a political sign of our solidarity with our allies, particularly against the backdrop of recent events in Libya.”