who can I teach?

[CJM]

I have a class 2 instructor rating, Who can I teach without a FTU involved? I recall it being family and friends, is this correct? ... clarification? I cant find it in the cars.

thanks

[Big Pistons Forever]

Look harder

[ScurvyDog]

I hate being sarcastic, but a Class 2 instructor should know who they can teach. At very least they should know where to find this info in the CARS!

[Av_Av]

Look harder

+1. Wow.

[Shiny Side Up]

Sometimes I wonder why Cat looks down on us all and then I get my answer...

[Beefitarian]

I'm available at YBW or CEF4. Do you have an airplane?

[ArcticKat]

I'm just a new pilot with less than 100 hours but I think I know the answer...

DIVISION XVIII - FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR RATING - AEROPLANE

Class 4 - Privileges

401.69 The holder of a Class 4 flight instructor rating - aeroplane may
(amended 2001/03/01; previous version)

(a) conduct dual flight instruction in respect of the issuance of a pilot permit -recreational -aeroplane or pilot licence -aeroplane or the endorsement of a night rating or a VFR OTT rating on a pilot licence -aeroplane;
(amended 2001/03/01; previous version)

(b) authorize a trainee to conduct a solo flight in an aeroplane;
(amended 2001/03/01; previous version)

(c) recommend a trainee for a flight test in respect of the issuance of a pilot permit -recreational -aeroplane or pilot licence -aeroplane;
(amended 2001/03/01; previous version)

(d) recommend a trainee for the endorsement of a night rating or a VFR OTT rating on the trainee’s pilot licence - aeroplane; and
(amended 2001/03/01; previous version)

(e) exercise the privileges of a flight instructor rating - ultra-light aeroplane without being under the supervision prescribed in paragraph 401.62(b).
(amended 2001/03/01; no previous version)

Class 3 - Privileges

401.70 The holder of a Class 3 flight instructor rating - aeroplane may

(a) exercise the privileges of a Class 4 flight instructor rating - aeroplane; and

(b) act as chief flight instructor of a flight training unit where there is no other flight instructor for the flight training unit.

Class 2 - Privileges

401.71 The holder of a Class 2 flight instructor rating - aeroplane may

(a) exercise the privileges of a Class 3 flight instructor rating - aeroplane;

(b) supervise the holder of a Class 4 flight instructor rating - aeroplane; and

(c) act as chief flight instructor of a flight training unit.

Class 1 - Privileges

401.72 The holder of a Class 1 flight instructor rating - aeroplane may

(a) exercise the privileges of a Class 2 flight instructor rating - aeroplane; and

(b) conduct ground school instruction and flight training in respect of the endorsement of a flight instructor rating - aeroplane.

So, if I understand it correctly, you can be the CFI of your own FTU and teach anyone you want. But then again, look at my experience, I'd just call TC for clarification rather than listen to me.

How did I do?

[tkdowell]

I have a class 2 instructor rating (...) I cant find it in the cars

Oxymoron?

[Shiny Side Up]

So, if I understand it correctly, you can be the CFI of your own FTU and teach anyone you want. But then again, look at my experience, I'd just call TC for clarification rather than listen to me.

How did I do?

Close, but no banana.

The following is the CAR that is pertinent to the opening question.

406.03

(2) A person who does not hold a flight training unit operator certificate may operate a flight training service if

(a) the person holds a private operator certificate or an air operator certificate, the aircraft used for training is specified in the private operator certificate or air operator certificate, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit - recreational, a private pilot licence, a commercial pilot licence or a flight instructor rating; or

(b) the trainee is

(i) the owner, or a member of the family of the owner, of the aircraft used for training,

(ii) a director of a corporation that owns the aircraft used for training, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit - recreational or a private pilot licence, or

(iii) using an aircraft that has been obtained from a person who is at arm’s length from the flight instructor, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit - recreational or a private pilot licence.
(amended 2003/06/01; previous version)

(3) In the case of flight training conducted under subparagraph (2)(b)(iii), the flight instructor shall
(amended 2003/06/01; no previous version)

(a) notify the Minister in writing of
(amended 2003/06/01; no previous version)

(i) the name and address of the person to receive the training,

(ii) the registration of the aircraft to be used,

(iii) the type of training to be conducted,

(iv) the location of the training operations, and

(v) the name and licence number of the flight instructor; and

(b) provide the information to the Minister
(amended 2003/06/01; no previous version)

(i) prior to commencing training operations,

(ii) within 10 working days after any change to the information, and

(iii) when the training is discontinued.

[iflyforpie]

Man, all these rules get in the way....


I was going to use my five years expired Class 4 and borrow a private airplane to teach instructor candidates....

[CJM]

ok I deserve a bit of criticism for not finding it myself. I didn't really look. Thx

[5x5]

ok I deserve a lot of criticism for not finding it myself. I didn't really look. Thx

There, fixed it for you.

[Cat Driver]

Sometimes I wonder why Cat looks down on us all and then I get my answer...

It is not a matter of looking down on everyone here, it is maybe I have higher aspirations for the direction the industry is headed and I get disappointed by reality?

[ScurvyDog]

It is not a matter of looking down on everyone here, it is maybe I have higher aspirations for the direction the industry and I get disappointed by reality?

Cat, I argee with you. I have been a instructor for 20 years. It pi$$es me off when guys are either to lazy or under educated/informed enough to look up regs in the CARS. It really shows our training system is pretty poor when commercial pilots can't even can't use the regs!

[Shiny Side Up]

I've yet to see a system that can train out lazyness.

[pilotincommand]

Family and friends? where did that come from

[SunWuKong]

Lazy maybe, smart for sure, because he got his answer.

[pile_it]

using an aircraft that has been obtained from a person who is at arm’s length from the flight instructor, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit - recreational or a private pilot licence.

Someone explain THAT to me!

[Hedley]

What part do you not understand?

training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit - recreational or a private pilot licence

That means no ab-initio training. Anything else is ok - night ratings, multi endorsement, commercial license, instrument rating, mile high club.

aircraft that has been obtained from a person who is at arm’s length from the flight instructor

That really means the flight instructor can't own the airplane. Look at the C of R.

The idea here is that if a flight instructor owns an airplane and offers flight instruction on it, the world will come to an end if he doesn't spend three years setting up an AMO and an FTU OC. Thanks so very much, ATAC.