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and with 50% of your crews set to retire in the next 15 years anyways, that will be the perfect way to avoid lay offs. Man, its win win win!!!FYI, status pay isn't lowering the bar or creating anything close to a LCC. We didn't change our flight and duty time limitations to the CARs and the up lift that the 757 guys got was distributed evenly among ALL the pilots at Jazz. But you knew that since you've probably read all the posts on AvCanada describing status pay and how it works right?TAT wrote:You seem to be ok with can jet and sunwing doing it.... I'm not supportive of this contract but we do have to think of the way things are done. We are not on the same playing field. Jazz with TC is already setting the pAce. Keep in mind boys this is just a TA.
Seriously?? .. Will there be flow through? .. You gotta be kidding me .. sharks are in the water!CCR wrote:Will there be flow through?
You'd think I would wouldn't you. I really don't know why I bother however my explanation gets shorter and shorter the more times I do it.mbav8r wrote:Teacher, don't you get tired of trying to explain how status pay works,to ignorant people?
I suspect TAT is grasping at straws to justify his/her yes vote.
)yes and no. Yes cause they pissed off their main employer. and no because it was only a matter of time before AC started up another tier 2 away from jazz. What is Air Canada doing, they've started a low cost regional carrier and are now forcing everyone else in that ball field to play at that price and once again drop the bar in the aviation industry! Cut backs 2020 here we come! Way to go!Yes, I believe that Jazz may have made a mistake with their TC operation, however 6-8 jets vs 50 as proposed means a whole new game.
Please explainMig29 wrote:Yes, I believe that Jazz may have made a mistake with their TC operation, however 6-8 jets vs 50 as proposed means a whole new game.
(Sorry bud, I had a chuckle or two when you responded )
yea, your really missing the point here bud. There is a reason people are negative because these type of situations is what is lowering the bar for the aviation standard in Canada. There are always people like you, that will fly a for a sh!t nugget just to say your fly 'heavy metal'. If you had any clue as to what you were talking about you would know what this type of 'competition' creates. Go look down in the states to the pilots that lost half their salary, pension, benefits and these regional pilots that are making less then $16,000 a year. but then again it's all just a little healthy competition, right? Get a clue man!Love the negativity people! Only pilots can be bitter at the prospect of more job creations. This is great news! More jobs will be created and healthy competition will only help the consumer. Don't know about you guys, but I like options.
Shit nugget eh? Whats that go for these days? I could care less about "heavy metal" and am very happy where I am. You want to compare jobs send me a pm. You see its guys like you who spill this negativity, what you miss is the fact jobs will be created. Will guys like me go work there? Not now, I'm employed. If I was unemployed and had to provide for my family, absolutly. Do you really think the general public gives a rats ass about what a pilot makes? All the consumer cares about is cost. Thats what I was getting at. My post, before you decided to rip it apart for the wrong reasons. Will jobs be created? Yes. Will the consumer benifit? Yes.dream_big wrote:yea, your really missing the point here bud. There is a reason people are negative because these type of situations is what is lowering the bar for the aviation standard in Canada. There are always people like you, that will fly a for a sh!t nugget just to say your fly 'heavy metal'. If you had any clue as to what you were talking about you would know what this type of 'competition' creates. Go look down in the states to the pilots that lost half their salary, pension, benefits and these regional pilots that are making less then $16,000 a year. but then again it's all just a little healthy competition, right? Get a clue man!Love the negativity people! Only pilots can be bitter at the prospect of more job creations. This is great news! More jobs will be created and healthy competition will only help the consumer. Don't know about you guys, but I like options.
Oddly, I agree with both of you to an extent....Hawkerflyer wrote:Shit nugget eh? Whats that go for these days? I could care less about "heavy metal" and am very happy where I am. You want to compare jobs send me a pm. You see its guys like you who spill this negativity, what you miss is the fact jobs will be created. Will guys like me go work there? Not now, I'm employed. If I was unemployed and had to provide for my family, absolutly. Do you really think the general public gives a rats ass about what a pilot makes? All the consumer cares about is cost. Thats what I was getting at. My post, before you decided to rip it apart for the wrong reasons. Will jobs be created? Yes. Will the consumer benifit? Yes.dream_big wrote:yea, your really missing the point here bud. There is a reason people are negative because these type of situations is what is lowering the bar for the aviation standard in Canada. There are always people like you, that will fly a for a sh!t nugget just to say your fly 'heavy metal'. If you had any clue as to what you were talking about you would know what this type of 'competition' creates. Go look down in the states to the pilots that lost half their salary, pension, benefits and these regional pilots that are making less then $16,000 a year. but then again it's all just a little healthy competition, right? Get a clue man!Love the negativity people! Only pilots can be bitter at the prospect of more job creations. This is great news! More jobs will be created and healthy competition will only help the consumer. Don't know about you guys, but I like options.
I don't want to de-rail the thread, but I'm curious what your thoughts were on Jetsgo?? Were jobs created?? Yes. Did the consumer benefit?? Yes. Was the start of an airline that demanded pilots pay $30,000 out of the pocket for the right to fly for them a good thing for the industry?? Don't forget that the time that Jetsgo peaked was also the only time that both Air Canada and Westjet were reporting quarterly losses. If this had continued, what would that have meant for the pilots of Air Canada and Westjet in the long term? It is great if you can look after the interests of management, the consumer, and your own group of professionals all at the same time. But there are also times where we need to speak as a unified group of professionals and say 'no more'. This is one of those times....Hawkerflyer wrote:dream_big wrote:Not now, I'm employed. If I was unemployed and had to provide for my family, absolutly. Do you really think the general public gives a rats ass about what a pilot makes? All the consumer cares about is cost. Thats what I was getting at. My post, before you decided to rip it apart for the wrong reasons. Will jobs be created? Yes. Will the consumer benifit? Yes.
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